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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 26, 2011 19:31:48 GMT -5
Wayne Defrancesco wrote the following article www.waynedefrancesco.com/620/drive-%E2%80%9Cdiagonal-45%E2%80%9D-for-power-and-accuracy/The premise is from the top of the swing when your hips are fully turned and you start the downswing that you don't rotate them, you don't move them linear, but that it should be a combination of the two. I pretty much agree with that. The hard part though is he says they should move about a 45 degree angle from the target line. This is accomplished by a pushing action. I am having trouble understanding this, if the hips are turned 45 degrees and the right hip is pulled back how can the body move the hips and center of the body along this 45 degree line? How do you push something that is turned like this behind you , how do you push backward? The only way I can think of it is a pretty big counterfall behind you but I can't correlate that with a push. I don't doubt Wayne because he seems to know what he is doing but having trouble understanding how to do this from a bio mechanical aspect. |
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Post by anthony on Mar 26, 2011 21:52:42 GMT -5
45 degree towards the left of the target .. ?
Anyway I always think that it highly depends on individuals what they need to visualise or feel.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 26, 2011 22:06:09 GMT -5
45 degree towards the left of the target .. ? Anyway I always think that it highly depends on individuals what they need to visualise or feel. Yes |
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Post by natep on Mar 26, 2011 22:13:56 GMT -5
I've seen him point that out in a couple of his vids, I thought he was saying that the left hip moves diagonally up and left, away from the target line. Rotating on a 45 degree angle to the ground.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 26, 2011 22:21:12 GMT -5
I've seen him point that out in a couple of his vids, I thought he was saying that the left hip moves diagonally up and left, away from the target line. Rotating on a 45 degree angle to the ground. hmm, well that just supports how little I understood it without a demonstration. |
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Post by anthony on Mar 27, 2011 0:51:06 GMT -5
Well, My understanding was move the hips 45 deg left of target. Seem his hands and arms are also passive...
Personally forme, my greatestpower is created when my Weight of my hips and core moves towards the tatget as much as they can while keeping my head steady. And uncocking as fast as possible wtih wrist power. Leff shoulder and hip felt very low..
Getempe is absolutely agreeable... No demo words mean next to nonsense sometimes...
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Post by kamandi on Mar 27, 2011 7:50:23 GMT -5
I've seen him point that out in a couple of his vids, I thought he was saying that the left hip moves diagonally up and left, away from the target line. Rotating on a 45 degree angle to the ground. With Jim McLean's triple x-factor, he talks about the hip rise, so this may be connected ..... findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0HFI/is_1_59/ai_n24222254/ |
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Post by kamandi on Mar 27, 2011 8:17:42 GMT -5
Upon reading more of the article, I agree with Anthony here; he's just saying that instead of moving the hips laterally right to left in a direction about parallel to your stance line and then turning ... just slide your hips laterally 45 degrees left of your stance line (or target line, or whatever).
The concept is basically similar to when some teachers tell you to chip or pitch with an open stance, to get your hips out of the way immediately, to make room for the swing.
The only way this works the way he wants it, though, is when you shift your weight right into a braced right leg, restricting the amount right hip turn in the backswing, ala McLean or Hogan. If you turn your right hip more than that in the backswing, such that your butt is almost facing the target (like a Shawn Clement style swing), you cannot do this move. I'd also think this move is not practical for reverse-k and stack and tilt style swings.
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Post by iacas on Mar 27, 2011 8:24:01 GMT -5
We prefer to tell people that the hips basically move forwards in the downswing, but the forwards direction is always changing because of the rotation (which happens as well). At P4 "forwards" might be towards first base, but by P7.1 "forwards" might be towards third base. The direction of "forwards" changes. For those who rotate too much too early, they might feel that "forwards" is towards first base longer, but we've also had people with shut hips who have to feel like they're pushing forward to third base (we mix in other feelings if the "baseball diamond" feelings don't work).
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Post by kamandi on Mar 27, 2011 8:36:19 GMT -5
iacas, those sound like real good ideas to help people control the rate of opening/turning their left hip on the downswing. Thanks for that. With this article, though, it's almost like a new, simple, straight-line concept, where the student doesn't even think about turning the hips. All he thinks of is moving laterally from the right side to the left about 45 degrees left of the stance line. He actually does turn his hips, but he may not be that conscious of it. I think it's a simple, but excellent concept; he just has to be aware of the straight plane line, so that he doesn't swing out to in.
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Post by anthony on Mar 27, 2011 11:13:25 GMT -5
Hmmm.. Somerhing interesting happens at flightscope today.. Buying a r11 hybrid 3 i ..
Was fooling around with this concept
Was doing 220-228 yards total..
Then wham! 265 yards. Then back to 220 yards.. Another wham! 268 ... It felt different... Im going to look for this feeling see where it leads me..
But i think... Left hip moves 45 left of target... While right hips actually moves right target ...
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Post by cloran on Mar 27, 2011 19:12:10 GMT -5
Ant'
Was there anything in the numbers that really jumped out at you (other than the distance of course) on the long shots? Trajectory higher? spin down?
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Post by jonnygrouville on Mar 28, 2011 2:59:39 GMT -5
I was lucky enough to play regularly with an ex-Ryder Cupper at my home course. He always said one of the most difficult things in the golf swing was the combination of lateral and rotational movements - and the balance thereof for the individual in question.
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Post by anthony on Mar 28, 2011 7:43:08 GMT -5
Cloran... Traj is high. Smash factor is very good. 1.4 .. Ss jumped up to 99 ish from 93
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