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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 22, 2011 15:17:02 GMT -5
I personally don't see Woodland's swing in that video being 'way faster' tempo. In fact, I posted that video up on my blog back in '09 when that video came out.
Why?
Because back then I had read an article about how fast Woodland swung the club when just about nobody knew who he was. That video came out on YouTube and I was amazed how much clubhead speed he could generate with a pretty smooth swing that didn't look very fast at all.
I know 'dynamic' gets thrown around a lot. But I think we tend to forget about the old adage 'effortless power not powerful effort.'
My dad didn't know much about the golf swing, but growing up he always wanted me to swing like Sam Snead or Tom Weiskopf.
Why?
Because they 'swung it so nice and smoothly and hit it a country mile.'
There are plenty of long ball hitters over the years like this...Purtzer (who was deep for his day), Couples, etc.
I honestly think that John Daly started the change and then Tiger revolutionized the change to 'swing out of your shoes and try to hit is as long as you possibly can.' But, I don't think one has to do that to hit it long as guys like Fred Couples have shown.
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Sept 22, 2011 15:20:26 GMT -5
I personally prefer the look of a more powerful, dynamic swing. Can you define this, thanks. You beat me to it, Greg! lol... I was thinking the same thing. Are MM or Mac motionless? Looks plenty "dynamic" to me. Does Geoff teach a pattern that's somehow MORE dynamic than m.o.r.a.d.?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 22, 2011 15:34:29 GMT -5
Robert Rock has this rhythm and tempo as well.
I have no idea how long he hits it, but I don't think he's a short knocker.
3JACK
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Post by knucklefade on Sept 22, 2011 16:04:11 GMT -5
Like the Supreme Court and porn, I know it when I see it. But, I like Hogan, Woodland,, Scott, Jason Day, Noh, Noren. Thoungh not big hitters I like Immelman and Mahan. Not wanting to argue,
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Post by gmbtempe on Sept 22, 2011 16:15:47 GMT -5
Robert Rock has this rhythm and tempo as well. I have no idea how long he hits it, but I don't think he's a short knocker. 3JACK He is a name I have seen thrown around as not being dynamic. I am just trying to figure out why, what is he doing mechanically wrong to be non dynamic.
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Post by knucklefade on Sept 22, 2011 16:36:56 GMT -5
I like Rock's swing...and haven't worked with Geoff in a long while. To me, dynamic is explosive....speed...power.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 22, 2011 17:21:47 GMT -5
How much speed would be considered dynamic? Explosive and even power are not things we can quite measure, we can measure speed. I know Mac's swing speed, and it's above the PGA Tour average.
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Sept 22, 2011 20:38:40 GMT -5
I guess the crux of the discussion is in regards to what "looks" dynamic vs. what "is" dynamic.
I love this swing, but does it look any more/less dynamic than McNary's?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 23, 2011 15:55:22 GMT -5
This is addictive to watch.
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Sept 23, 2011 17:58:08 GMT -5
There's a whole lotta' *thwack* in that impact... it's not dynamic? Really?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 23, 2011 19:00:07 GMT -5
I respect the position of the person who says it's not dynamic, although I thoroughly disagree with the notion.
I think what's interestng is that I grew up being taught 'let the club do the work for you.' Granted, the teaching was just that....telling me to let the club do the work.
But to me it seems like if you swng smoothly and 'let the club do the work', that's not considered 'dynamc.'
And I'm not sure what 'not dynamic' means as far from a measurement perspective. I know S&T is often confused with not beng 'dynamic', although 2 S&T students, Troy Matteson and former student Aaron Baddeley generate 116 and 118 mph of clubhead speed respectively.
So to me it's like we've done a 180 of sorts, the 'let the club do the work' people and the 'not dynamic' people have a hard time defining those statements and the game has gone from 'let the club do the work' to more of a Daly type of swng (who s only generating 114 mph of clubhead speed this season).
3JACK
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Post by danadahlquist on Sept 24, 2011 23:21:12 GMT -5
The over all positions Mikes demoing doing CP are great.
He at times hits it far enough. The only issue with the CP model is angle of attack on Trackman.
It’s way too crashy for today’s golf ball. Mac has not experimented on this yet, however he has been told this.
Take a lower spinning ball and make the angle of attack to sharp, you got problems.
I think his stuff may change some in the next year because of this.
Yes the dynamics are fantastic, however there are some pieces that develop errors if your doing a CP model swing. Hence the reason guys CF longer clubs and make baseline shifts, otherwise the ball goes shorter.
Same issue another well know darome guy has been having on tour “ won’t name him” his attack angle is a touch higher than needed. We have been going over what is the best mix for stability with the models.
Should be good for him in the long run.
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Post by cloran on Sept 25, 2011 18:12:11 GMT -5
Driver:
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Post by iamzodia on Sept 25, 2011 19:22:37 GMT -5
I guess the crux of the discussion is in regards to what "looks" dynamic vs. what "is" dynamic. I love this swing, but does it look any more/less dynamic than McNary's? Wow. This is a beautiful dynamic motion, as dynamic to me means using the ground. Beautiful swing shown. Who is this?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 25, 2011 19:29:40 GMT -5
The late Matt Loving. Passed away in a car accident.
3JACK
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