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Post by bentshaft on Sept 27, 2011 12:29:39 GMT -5
For those of you with a better "golf eye" than myself (which means everyone on this board) would you please compare MM's swing to that of Greg McHatton?
thanks
bent
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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 27, 2011 13:02:33 GMT -5
Here’s what I see:
P1 – McHatton has a weaker left hand grip
P2 – McHatton has a very wide takeaway while McNary has a much shorter swing radius.
P4- I’ll just leave it at the spines are very different and McNary has much more hip rotation.
P5 – McHatton with more lag, but both have a sizeable amount of lag.
P6 – McHatton has much more axis tilt here.
P7 – Both have a noticeable amount of forward shaft lean, but McHatton still has much more axis tilt.
P8 – Both have slow over-taking rates
There are some other things, but I can’t really discuss. I don’t have a DTL view on hand of McHatton’s swing, but I believe his shoulders are much more closed at p6 than McNary’s.
3JACK
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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 27, 2011 14:28:17 GMT -5
Yes, and please nobody misconstrue. I like McHatton's swing quite a bit and he's achieved far more as a player than I ever have.
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Sept 28, 2011 3:29:28 GMT -5
Still images taken from this video: "Model 3"   Too much shaft lean at impact? Not enough rise in the coupling point? |
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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 28, 2011 7:20:32 GMT -5
McNary calls it the 'Model 3' swing. I don't know exactly what that means, but I would imagine that it is one of the pattern he uses to get a certain trajectory window. A lot of M.O.R.A.D. is about different patterns for different types of shots and hitting different windows.
3JACK
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Post by Richie3Jack on Oct 10, 2011 15:25:41 GMT -5
The latest, with a 6-iron.
3JACK
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Post by Richie3Jack on Nov 1, 2011 7:52:14 GMT -5
new one...7-iron, DTL, CP
3JACK
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Post by Richie3Jack on Dec 24, 2011 9:34:25 GMT -5
Some new ones...
3JACK
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Post by kevcarter on Dec 24, 2011 10:29:16 GMT -5
Thanks Richie. I never get tired of watching that!
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Post by pj on Dec 26, 2011 13:34:48 GMT -5
McNary calls it the 'Model 3' swing. I don't know exactly what that means, but I would imagine that it is one of the pattern he uses to get a certain trajectory window. A lot of M.O.R.A.D. is about different patterns for different types of shots and hitting different windows. Richie, 3JACK What are the basic movements in the M.O.R.A.D. swing that are different than other swings? Thanks pj |
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Post by Richie3Jack on Dec 26, 2011 16:46:33 GMT -5
I can't really give them away here. There's an abundance of information and it changes depending on what type of window the golfer is trying to hit. I would recommend going to Mike for that information.
3JACK
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Post by pj on Dec 26, 2011 17:00:37 GMT -5
I can't really give them away here. There's an abundance of information and it changes depending on what type of window the golfer is trying to hit. I would recommend going to Mike for that information. 3JACK Thanks. I have my first lesson with MM on Friday. Am really looking forward to it. |
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Post by Richie3Jack on Dec 27, 2011 9:30:36 GMT -5
Let us know how it goes.
3JACK
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Post by kevinshields on Dec 29, 2011 23:52:31 GMT -5
The over all positions Mikes demoing doing CP are great. He at times hits it far enough. The only issue with the CP model is angle of attack on Trackman. It’s way too crashy for today’s golf ball. Mac has not experimented on this yet, however he has been told this. Take a lower spinning ball and make the angle of attack to sharp, you got problems. I think his stuff may change some in the next year because of this. Yes the dynamics are fantastic, however there are some pieces that develop errors if your doing a CP model swing. Hence the reason guys CF longer clubs and make baseline shifts, otherwise the ball goes shorter. Same issue another well know darome guy has been having on tour “ won’t name him” his attack angle is a touch higher than needed. We have been going over what is the best mix for stability with the models. Should be good for him in the long run. Interesting how this post seemed to get passed over. Sounds like his teacher is saying this is not an optimal pattern for today's game. Obviously it's a good golf swing but how can it be considered as good as it gets when this is the critique of his own teacher? If they are just friends I apologize but I was under the impression Dana has worked with him. |
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Post by Richie3Jack on Dec 30, 2011 0:16:25 GMT -5
They just worked with each other, to my knowledge...I don't think Dana was really every his 'teacher.' I don't think they work with each other anymore.
I stated this over in the Newton Golf Institute forum. I get along iwth Dana fine and he knows a lot of M.O.R.A.D. given his time with Mac. But, Mac's work and research is ongoing. Things he taught 5 years ago have altered today as his research has discovered new things or found different ways to apply the science and theory.
There are things I've heard guys like Dana talk about that from my knowledge and working with George...are not true anymore. I just assume that it's due to alterations since they last worked with Mac.
And like I stated...I have Boo Weekley as the #1 driver on Tour when you look at driving distance, fwy % and distance to the edge of the fairway. And his attack angle was measured in at -3.5* under Trackman.
Sure, he would add power with a shallower attack, but he may lose accuracy and precision. Then again...he may not. But, it's tough to beat #1 and most would think why would you want to fix something that's not broke?
3JACK
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