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Post by cloran on Jun 27, 2012 6:41:43 GMT -5
This is the first time I've seen things described in this way... I like it.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jun 27, 2012 7:44:27 GMT -5
Much easier explanation for beginners about path. Still hard to control the face, but a very good video.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 27, 2012 12:19:40 GMT -5
This is probably better asked to a SnT based instructor but is the idea to have the hips and shoulders slightly closed-to square coming into impact?
I ask because of some photo sequences I saw recently of a SnT based student who had much less rotation in their swing, which also sent the path out to the right.
I think one could achieve the same dynamics with a traditional setup and swing.[
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Post by anthony on Jun 28, 2012 11:15:16 GMT -5
hardly agree. i think as a chronic fader.. what ensures my draw is squarer shoulder at impact.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 28, 2012 12:52:20 GMT -5
hardly agree. i think as a chronic fader.. what ensures my draw is squarer shoulder at impact. Its confusing to me because you dont get more closed hips and shoulders than I do at impact and I never hit push draws. That being said if you look at the better players on tour they generally are square to open at this point. |
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Post by rok78 on Jun 28, 2012 13:30:14 GMT -5
I think this is another one of those "all things equal" type of things. Just like handle farther ahead at impact in general shifts the path more right.
But it's good in that if you are fighting one flight versus another you know what the rotation peice should be depending on what you want to hit.
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Post by virtuoso on Jun 28, 2012 18:10:35 GMT -5
hardly agree. i think as a chronic fader.. what ensures my draw is squarer shoulder at impact. Its confusing to me because you dont get more closed hips and shoulders than I do at impact and I never hit push draws. That being said if you look at the better players on tour they generally are square to open at this point. gmbtempe, Work on your arm swing before you change your body pivot. Right now your arms swing the shaft very vertical in relation to your torso, and move the shaft away from your torso very quickly, so even with your shoulders closed at impact, you are still getting a little across the ball. If you try to get your torso more open at impact, you will exacerbate the pull. If you get your arm swing correct, you will easily hit big push draws with your body positions. Then, after that, you can begin to get more aggressive with your torso rotation. By getting the order right, it will reduce your frustration. |
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Post by teeace on Jun 29, 2012 14:13:25 GMT -5
hardly agree. i think as a chronic fader.. what ensures my draw is squarer shoulder at impact. My best students are about 8-16 degrees open from the shoulders at impact and they hit mainly draw. Just learning to hit the good fade but there is no big difference in body positions as measured. It's all in hands |
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Post by grahler on Jun 30, 2012 0:28:04 GMT -5
+1 Teeace hands shape. Hands are where rubber meets road.
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Post by anthony on Jun 30, 2012 10:09:08 GMT -5
i dont understand why people will.want to deliberately open the shoulders. look at the frozen impact screenshot. i dont see any of these lok more square than very open. also impact for me is much better better smash,consitencies of contact with just square shoulder and steady head. handpath .. will be more in out. push plus draw tendenies. open shoulder.. pulll hook and fade tendencies. Attachments:
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 30, 2012 10:17:28 GMT -5
I cant tell where Watson is aiming but it looks like Rollins is about 10 degrees open with the shoulders and double that with the hips.
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Post by teeace on Jun 30, 2012 10:48:12 GMT -5
I cant tell where Watson is aiming but it looks like Rollins is about 10 degrees open with the shoulders and double that with the hips. And not even at impact yet. 3-4 inches in club head movement is about 3-5 degrees rotation in shoulders in many tour level players. Those who hold the release it's even more. Typical numbers of good players are somewhere between 55-30 degrees open from hips and 20-8 degrees from shoulders right at impact. TPI systems and K-vest gives much bigger numbers, something like 30 degrees open from shoulders but it's spine rotation usually, not really from the shoulders. But I have never seen someone being too open from shoulders and hitting pad shots by that. I have seen few ladies who are much too much open from hips relative to the shoulders, and that's because they are so flexible from torso area that they loose connection and power by that. Anyway, open shoulders don't produce any pulls or big fades if the hand and arm actions are fine. Big hooks and push-slices I have seen a lot with closed shoulders. |
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 30, 2012 12:43:26 GMT -5
I cant tell where Watson is aiming but it looks like Rollins is about 10 degrees open with the shoulders and double that with the hips. And not even at impact yet. 3-4 inches in club head movement is about 3-5 degrees rotation in shoulders in many tour level players. Those who hold the release it's even more. Typical numbers of good players are somewhere between 55-30 degrees open from hips and 20-8 degrees from shoulders right at impact. TPI systems and K-vest gives much bigger numbers, something like 30 degrees open from shoulders but it's spine rotation usually, not really from the shoulders. But I have never seen someone being too open from shoulders and hitting pad shots by that. I have seen few ladies who are much too much open from hips relative to the shoulders, and that's because they are so flexible from torso area that they loose connection and power by that. Anyway, open shoulders don't produce any pulls or big fades if the hand and arm actions are fine. Big hooks and push-slices I have seen a lot with closed shoulders. My personal experience is closed shoulders tend to lead to flipping the club, obviously not always the case but it is a problem for me. I wish there was better information on the pivot, I find the current literature lacking on mechanics and technique. |
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Post by teeace on Jun 30, 2012 12:53:45 GMT -5
And not even at impact yet. 3-4 inches in club head movement is about 3-5 degrees rotation in shoulders in many tour level players. Those who hold the release it's even more. Typical numbers of good players are somewhere between 55-30 degrees open from hips and 20-8 degrees from shoulders right at impact. TPI systems and K-vest gives much bigger numbers, something like 30 degrees open from shoulders but it's spine rotation usually, not really from the shoulders. But I have never seen someone being too open from shoulders and hitting pad shots by that. I have seen few ladies who are much too much open from hips relative to the shoulders, and that's because they are so flexible from torso area that they loose connection and power by that. Anyway, open shoulders don't produce any pulls or big fades if the hand and arm actions are fine. Big hooks and push-slices I have seen a lot with closed shoulders. My personal experience is closed shoulders tend to lead to flipping the club, obviously not always the case but it is a problem for me. I wish there was better information on the pivot, I find the current literature lacking on mechanics and technique. You can always call me on Skype and I can show some things. |
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 30, 2012 17:10:59 GMT -5
Rollins' shoulders are definitely open at impact. Open or closed...depends on what you are trying to do with the path and it's relationship with the face.
3JACK
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