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Post by fullback on Dec 26, 2010 7:16:44 GMT -5
Thirty five years ago (and 35 lbs. ago), I wasn't too bad of a stick. I cashed a couple of checks one year in the early 1070's. I herniated a disc nine years ago and just started to swing a club again after a nine-year hiatus. Just got a new Casio camera and thought I'd give it a try. I have to work on the settings, but I think it's a great tool for working with students. I was always a two-plane guy, but I've been working on some S&Tish moves because it's actually less painful on my back. How is that for unusual? An old guy with a herniated disc switches to S&T to save his back . . . Anyway, I do have limitations and know I'm nowhere near the model, but there are some aspects of it I like. And that's all that matters. www.youtube.com/watch?v=FvXMA4LeTuQwww.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk1tWH9BBsw(Hmm - Youtube didn't embed.)
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Post by cloran on Dec 26, 2010 10:20:13 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind such an ugly swing.
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 26, 2010 11:54:52 GMT -5
That looks really great from my perspective...I will let the pro SnT guys give their two cents but sure looks like you are in the right spots at all the positions I look at.
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 26, 2010 12:06:44 GMT -5
Oh yea, which Casio do you have, it played back in HD slo mo, have not seen that before.
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Post by moradman on Dec 26, 2010 13:56:07 GMT -5
What are you looking to improve? or what are you not happy with. strike, trajectory, curve etc? which ones in your opinion are the most important you are looking to fix first?
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Post by tightdraw on Dec 26, 2010 18:02:52 GMT -5
Just a couple of thoughts. Don't know what you are trying to accomplish in your swing so it is hard to make suggestions, but from my perspective there are a couple of things I see. I am a darome, not an S&T guy, so what I see may not be what the S&T instructors would encourage you to do; and if that is the direction you want to go then these remarks may not be all that helpful First, I think you take the club a bit too far inside so that at p2 you are definitely inside of being parallel to the target line. This means that in the second part of your backswing you lift your arms. you can see the result of this at the top/end of your backswing in which the butt of the club points way inside of the target/base line. Again this is something you want to do if you believe that HK was right about the club either tracing that line or being parallel to it. Frankly, it is one of the features of TGM that I have found extremely helpful. Because of your position at the top you reroute to get back on plane. It's certainly a playable swing and you have good rhythm as well, but for me the give-away is where the club exits on the through swing. When you are at p8 the butt of the club is not enough left (if you are looking for a CP release) and there isn't as much of your back facing the camera as there would be with more rotation through the ball through the follow-through. But these are all small points relative to a model swing which none of us have :-) I too took nine years off after a long stretch of competitive play due to a horrible injury at the gym. I came back 1.5 years ago and until I found darome just thought I would be hacking it around recreationally. Your swing looks like you are ready to get back to it a pretty high level of excellence. BTW which Cassio do you have as I too need to make a similar investment.
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Post by moradman on Dec 26, 2010 18:22:59 GMT -5
I like your post tightdraw. This is where I'm interested to know your answer.
Like you said, clubshaft doesn't point at baseline at P2 (overactive #3), but is decent enough at P4 though the tilts could be a little cleaner. Like you said, if he reroutes it back to tracing plane line by P5, why worry about 2 right now. Only clean that up if it is causing some problems.
Like you said, it may be the exit that I would clean up, but there is a huge piece missing to allow him to keep turning and that is the legs.
The right leg needs to keep straightening from P7.5-9 to release the pelvic tilt. When this happens, the torso can keep turning while maintaining pressure points to P9.
This is also why the lower body needs to slide forward, to increase the sidetilt to keep the golfer in their inclination. This is how the golfer learns to clean up the PP's and exit.
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Post by fullback on Dec 27, 2010 18:15:49 GMT -5
Thanks for your remarks. 1. It's the entry level Casio EX-FC10. Link. You can probably get one from Amazon for under $100. You're right, gmbtempe, it's not really HD. It's just labeled as HD. I edited it in Adobe Premier which I have set to upload that way for all videos by default. Outdoors in sunlight, the image quality is much better. 2. Yes, P2 is very inside now, tightdraw. I used to be fanatical about it being directly over the extended line of my toes when I was younger. My exit is very different (more left and more right arm extension) for a CP pattern, which I can do pretty well. I'm trying to hit a 3-4 yard push draw in these videos, so CP is out. I would like the club head more in front of me at the start, so I think you're right. I don't like the feel of flipping it backwards, and that's the sensation I have now. I'd like to get a little more inclination for a steeper TSP, but I can't do it with my back. However, I'm still better in flexion than I am in extension. My herniated disc is blown out to my right side, so extending and tucking my hips more at P8 to P9 is impossible to do without calling an ambulance. If that isn't enough, I have arthritis in my knees, gout, varicose veins in my left leg, a birth defect of the thigh muscles in my right leg that makes me walk with a limp as I've gotten older, two bad hips and my left shoulder socket hurts so bad that I use a topically-applied, prescription-strength pain medicine. I can't bend over to tie my shoes and I'm pushing 60-years old. I've just hit so many balls in my life that I can recover fairly well from some poor positions by the time I get to impact. My ball flight and trajectory is reasonable and I'm fine with adjusting them as required. What I'm trying to do is present a reasonable illustration of S&T (with appropriate ball flight) for my students, without looking like a goofball. Here is my "usual" swing from when I started hitting balls again the beginning of this year. You'll see that my position at the top is more in line and you can track my previous slight draw pattern. www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKsq90kO_v4I'm not happy with P7 to 9, either. I'd like to figure out a way to get more leverage off the ground at P7+. I agree that cleaning up the exit and P2 are good things to work on. I'll try to get a FO view recorded. Thanks again for your comments.
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Post by tightdraw on Dec 28, 2010 2:37:11 GMT -5
Fullback, Had I known you were an instructor, I very likely would have kept my thoughts to myself. With all you are going through physically I am surprised you can swing at all. Sadly I have broken the 60 barrier age wise and only wish I had the swing I do now when it would have mattered to my competitive days. I agree with Moradman but given your physical limitations it strikes me that you have one hell of a swing. My main injury happened when I was 48 and the distance gap between the youngsters and me was no longer tolerable. Prior to the season of amateur events I went to the gym religiously and on a lat pull down machine severed three major nerves under my right armpit which led to considerable muscle loss on my right upper body. It took a year and half of physical therapy just to be able to do the things I was used to doing. Eventually I just gave up on the game for nine years. Like you I'm back and loving it -- and pain free, but for a torn menial miniscus in my right knee :-(
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Post by fullback on Dec 28, 2010 5:23:41 GMT -5
It's good to hear you're enjoying the game again and playing well, tightdraw. I always enjoy walking past the young guns to get to my drive, don't you? I worked a little today on p-2 and p-4 to not reroute the cub and expanding post impact. Here's the result: DTL view: FO view:
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Post by tightdraw on Dec 30, 2010 23:35:38 GMT -5
fullback,
looks lots better to me and such a nice rhythm in your swing. where do you live that you are hitting balls outdoors seriously good looking swing if you ask me
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Post by fullback on Dec 31, 2010 2:43:11 GMT -5
Thanks for embedding the videos, R3J. My 35 IQ isn't grasping the method yet.
Thank you, tightdraw. I'd like to get my shoulder down further, get slightly further forward when at the top and be able to push off the ground more, but I just don't have the strength in my back or legs.
I live about an hour north of Tokyo. It'll get pretty cold in another week or two.
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Post by moradman on Dec 31, 2010 12:41:04 GMT -5
i like lots of what you do. Flex your left knee DOWN more toward baseline (that will give u steeper hip tilt) and inturn allow you to steepen your shoulders and exert more pressure into the ground.
to fix 2, keep left arm slightly tighter to torso and feel no rotation of the forearms. (like your trying to get the clubface 45* or 'closed' as some teachers my preach at P2) You'll see that clean up quickly.
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Post by michaelmcloughlin on Dec 31, 2010 12:50:02 GMT -5
i like lots of what you do. Flex your left knee DOWN more toward baseline (that will give u steeper hip tilt) and inturn allow you to steepen your shoulders and exert more pressure into the ground. to fix 2, keep left arm slightly tighter to torso and feel no rotation of the forearms. (like your trying to get the clubface 45* or 'closed' as some teachers my preach at P2) You'll see that clean up quickly. Just want to add that the arms/hands will feel deeper, more inward, and the swing may feel shorter. Less up, more in.
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 31, 2010 13:19:40 GMT -5
i like lots of what you do. Flex your left knee DOWN more toward baseline (that will give u steeper hip tilt) and inturn allow you to steepen your shoulders and exert more pressure into the ground. to fix 2, keep left arm slightly tighter to torso and feel no rotation of the forearms. (like your trying to get the clubface 45* or 'closed' as some teachers my preach at P2) You'll see that clean up quickly. Just want to add that the arms/hands will feel deeper, more inward, and the swing may feel shorter. Less up, more in. hands in = on the shaft plane to P2 then on plan to Top?
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