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Post by michaelmcloughlin on Dec 7, 2010 12:32:55 GMT -5
Saw the Stockton piece on Golf Channel last night and I liked some parts of it. Grip, alignment with the tees and routine all had good insights. I was familiar with his stroke philosophies before the show but I was amazed how much he wants the handle forward after "impact". Reminders a lot of the flying wedge, but does it translate well into putting? Seems like it works for Dave and all the pros he advises.
Anyone have any experience with this kind of stroke? I have an opportunity to attend one of his schools this Friday and I'm looking for some feedback. thx
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 7, 2010 12:38:43 GMT -5
Saw the Stockton piece on Golf Channel last night and I liked some parts of it. Grip, alignment with the tees and routine all had good insights. I was familiar with his stroke philosophies before the show but I was amazed how much he wants the handle forward after "impact". Reminders a lot of the flying wedge, but does it translate well into putting? Seems like it works for Dave and all the pros he advises. Anyone have any experience with this kind of stroke? I have an opportunity to attend one of his schools this Friday and I'm looking for some feedback. thx I read his book, some things I liked and didnt like. His method kinda reeks of a keep it simple stupid method. Read the putt from behind and from low point, no practice putts, get up look once and hit it. I use the forward press as a kick start my stroke, its more a rhythm thing.
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Post by iteachgolf on Dec 7, 2010 16:30:12 GMT -5
its a aim left and push stroke. Not a fan of it at all. Its a stroke that is out of rhythm and is a push stroke which is why he favors plumbers neck anser style putters (majority of golfers aim them left) which is why a forward press would work for you Greg. I way rather have I putter I aim dead straight and make a stroke without compensating.
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 7, 2010 16:43:51 GMT -5
its a aim left and push stroke. Not a fan of it at all. Its a stroke that is out of rhythm and is a push stroke which is why he favors plumbers neck anser style putters (majority of golfers aim them left) which is why a forward press would work for you Greg. I way rather have I putter I aim dead straight and make a stroke without compensating. Me too. Aiming the putter is something I have never really worked with, putting is honestly something I have never worked on because I find it pretty easy. Of course my 5' putts have virtually nothing riding on them. ;D I do aim it left though when I use a laser guide, don't know if you saw me post that or not but your spot on.
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Post by iteachgolf on Dec 7, 2010 16:48:34 GMT -5
can't learn to aim, you have to find a putter that your eyes aim correctly. I suggest getting together with Jason and getting fit for an edel, whether you buy one or not you'll know what style putter you need to buy regardless of brand.
For instance I aim all blade putters right but if you put a sight dot on them and a flow neck I hit the dead center of the hole 10/10 times. Now I have all my putters custom made for me and I aim all of them dead center. Find a putter you can aim rather than trying to learn to aim your putter.
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 7, 2010 16:54:08 GMT -5
Thats funny, I use a Rife Bimini (after a Answer style Cameron) and have found my putting has improved, wonder if it was just an better putter for my aim.
I have honestly never heard that you cant learn to aim.
I should spend the money and do that, Denny worked with Jason a couple months back.
Learned a lot the last hour, thanks.
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Post by michaelmcloughlin on Dec 7, 2010 22:17:29 GMT -5
thanks for the responses guys, I've decided not to go, too expensive for just one day and I just don't think the information provided is worth it.
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Post by dhc1 on Dec 8, 2010 16:27:44 GMT -5
is david stockton's forward press the same thing as bobby clampett's FLW using the putting stroke (ie, using TGM's flying wedge)?
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Post by bacc on Dec 9, 2010 16:38:09 GMT -5
its a aim left and push stroke. Not a fan of it at all. Its a stroke that is out of rhythm and is a push stroke which is why he favors plumbers neck anser style putters (majority of golfers aim them left) which is why a forward press would work for you Greg. I way rather have I putter I aim dead straight and make a stroke without compensating. I agree completely on the Stockton putting method. I'm not a fan of it all for the reasons you cite. He also wants at least 4 degrees of loft on a putter (to compensate for the forward press). I believe 4 degrees of loft hurts more folks than it helps. On the anser style heads, I believe the lines that are on most of them have a lot to do with aiming them left (more so than the shape of the head). David Orr has done studies on that and could rattle the numbers off the top of his head. He fits quite a few folks into the Anser style Edels with the L1 hosel and a sight dot on the top edge. For me personally, any Anser shaped head with a line on the flange I tend to aim slightly left. My Edel with a sight dot on the top edge, I aim dead straight repeatedly.
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Post by iteachgolf on Dec 9, 2010 17:47:13 GMT -5
Offset and line cause aim to be left. I happen to get putters from Scotty Cameron custom made (no layback) but I use the Nepwort 2 or Laguna with a sight dot and hit dead center as well. Was fit on Edel system but just get mine made by Scotty.
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 9, 2010 21:03:14 GMT -5
Looking at edels site it looked exclusive to socal as far as fittings?
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Post by bacc on Dec 9, 2010 21:16:42 GMT -5
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Post by Richie3Jack on Dec 10, 2010 10:19:58 GMT -5
I plan on getting fitted by David Edel at the PGA Show. I spoke to his 2nd in command a little while ago about it. I'm still considering the Vari-Loft. I asked David Orr about the changing in the lofts changing the aim. Orr more or less said it can happen, but he often finds that the change in aim isn't that drastic. For me, if I could find a Vari-Loft that I aim dead straight at 3* loft and then I'm a hair off at the other lofts, I'll will buy it. I'm not big into using a lot of different putters, so finding a putter I can use for the next 10+ years is important to me and there's times where one could easily use a lower or higher lofted putter from what they typically use. I have a rightward aim bias. I tried using a laser guide to help, but I couldn't do it for an extended period of time and I would go right back to my rightward bias aim. I think the putters I aim really well are the new Backstryke putters by Odyssey. 3JACK
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Post by bacc on Dec 10, 2010 13:51:08 GMT -5
I plan on getting fitted by David Edel at the PGA Show. I spoke to his 2nd in command a little while ago about it. I'm still considering the Vari-Loft. I asked David Orr about the changing in the lofts changing the aim. Orr more or less said it can happen, but he often finds that the change in aim isn't that drastic. I'd love to have a Vari-Loft...just can't justify the expense now that I have 2 yr old twins ;-) I have an Edel Umpqua with black finish that I absolutely love (L1 hosel, sight dot on top edge, 33.5", Iomic grip). I can't imagine ever buying another putter other than perhaps a Vari-Loft with the same specs. You'll enjoy the experience with David Edel and the putter if you decide to get one. He's a great craftsman and really cares about the product he makes.
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 10, 2010 22:04:48 GMT -5
ehh, looks like the golf target rich environment of Az is not one of them.
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