DHC1's swing

[dhc1]

Rohlio asked a question in another section about whether there are people who understand the swing and have the time to practice who cannot shoot in the 70s. I think that's me with the caveats that i don't know all that much about the swing but I have learned a lot from this and other forums and I don't get to practice that much as i live in NYC and have three young kids.

My goal is to get a pivot based swing that provide consistency first and adequate distance second.

I have had a lot of lessons but it was only through the internet that i found people who could communicate best with me. I need to understand why things work, and not just focus on hitting spots or establishing a feel. I haven't found the right local instructor but I have met with Slicefixer and Martinez once each and am on M1 with Lagpressure. I think that their philosophies are similar enough that i can integrate them into a swing that works for me.



from my old swing, i think i have made substantive changes with the following focus

- better set up with more curve in the lower back
- don't turn the forearms too much in the backswing
- try to use ground forces better to post on left leg
- focus on flying wedges

i would be deeply grateful for any suggestions and i hope that i am close to getting a consistent swing that i can be happy with. i'm happy to list what i think i need to do going forward but will hold off unless its helpful

[aimsmithgolf]

DHC1,

Glad to hear you are wanting to improve. My swing philosophy, if you will, is based on the fact that the golf swing is primarily and essentially a NATURAL action or movement. Your swing appears to move through "a series of contrived postures, a pattern of carefully thought-out conscious movements, a set of deliberate muscle contortions" but not a swinging of the club. The question you have to ask yourself at this stage is: should I swing or move from position to position?

The swinging of the arms is the engine of the golf swing. You must hit the golf ball with power and motivation. Am I stating the obvious here? I don't think so.

So for you to improve you must FIRST learn how the hands and arms control the direction and speed of the clubhead. Practice with the goal of using the arms, wrists and hands to propel the clubhead through the ball FAST. If you are interested in drills or other ideas I would be happy to help. Just let me know.

Rand

[dhc1]

Feb 27, 2011 12:11:08 GMT -5 dennyalberts said:

your swing has improved. Excuse my typing problems --------------Z 6 has to be improved -------left arm needs to go down rt. leg at P6 ------------------- when the rt arm participation is understood the mystery of golf goes away------------------------HOMER KELLEY . Get a SUMMIT teaching aid and hook it on your left belt buckle to rt bicep arm . Rt arm should bend up on back s wing ------like throwing beer over rt shoulder -----------------hands are too twisted away P6 on the dtl the left arm has to come out------------------------------your rt knee kicks in to early on down swing ----------get rid of kucher finish put summit on left arm to rt buckle or glove under arm release rt heel sorry i can not type i do on line lessons check out a few of my concepts on u tube dennyalbertsgolf

Denny,

Thanks for your insightful comments. I had one question: is my p6 hand position a problem or does it only appear that way because my right leg is too buckled? The handle of my club is right above the ball at p6 - if my right leg was normal, I think my hands would be in front of it. Is that still too late?

I will definitely work on the hand position at the top and my right leg.

Thanks.

[dhc1]

thanks everyone for all the public and private messages. After several conversations, I have tried to address some of the key areas that were mentioned:

- keep the right leg from buckling
- get the swing more in front
- getting more pitch elbow
- get the right heel to lift up naturally during the downswing
- keep the club outside the hands on the takeaway
- hinge better

here's my most recent swing:



i did better on the first two points but still need work on the last three (and many others too that I'm not trying to address now).

I'd be grateful for any comments - I am particularly confused about the hinge. As you can see in the second part of the video, i am trying to get in the correct flying wedges position and stay on plane but i don't think i'm doing it correctly because it feels very constrained and the exact opposite of the "loose" wrists that i'd like to have. I am focusing on my right wrist bending backwards and not hinging upwards. Quite frankly, I'm not sure how people manage to get their club at an angle greater than 90 degrees relative to the left forearm as i just can't seem to be able to get my wrists to bend that much when the club is on the same plane as the left forearm - my wrists don't even get to 90 degrees.

Also, i'd be interested to see what people thought my typical bad shot would look like.

Thanks.

[dhc1]

I'd be grateful for some help and I think that I've moved backwards a bit.

A few things since I last posted:

- I started working out diligently with a golf focused trainer who mentioned that i was extremely inflexible in my hips/hamstrings and weak in my glutes.

- i have not been able to play much but have been getting to an indoor swing simulator with video about 3-4x week. my miss is usually a push slice

- i had a trackman driver fitting and I noticed that AoA was way too much and a bit out to in.

- i am very confused as to the LAFW and how to get the club on plane at the end of the backswing. I feel like i'm not hinging correctly and that my club is across the line. when i try to get my plane similar to my shoulders, it feels totally artificial.

-another recent thread discussed the merits of moving the upper body towards the target - i think i do that and its screws up my low point control

- i won Spencer's Master competition and am very much looking forward to hearing his thoughts on how i can improve my consistency



Here's my latest swing (i lost my casio so no 210 fps until my new one comes in).



I am heading to pinehurst for my annual buddies trip soon, which is effectively my "major" tournament of the year so any thoughts would be more than appreciated.

[dhc1]

i am so close to breaking into the 70s, i can taste it. I was 6 over, sitting on the 17th green with a 7 foot putt for an up-and-down. i proceed to three-putt and then take a double on 18.

anyway here's my swing. i'm interested to see if people see improvement from prior versions.

thanks

[teeace]

If we would meet my first question would be:

Have you thought why you HAVE TO bend your arms that much at follow through and pull them close to you.

I think you got at lest good idea why you should achieve and I see lot of good movements there but something prevents you to do it really well. You are not far away from that but you need to find the answer.

If you don't find it in few days, tell me and I guide you to find it.

[dhc1]

Thanks for the reply, teeace. I'll have to think about your question before I respond.

Do you think my swing has changed from prior versions above?

[teeace]

Jul 24, 2012 10:33:00 GMT -5 dhc1 said:

Thanks for the reply, teeace. I'll have to think about your question before I respond.

Do you think my swing has changed from prior versions above?

LOL... the difference is like a day and night and you have had great guys to help you.

And that was just what I wanted you to do. Think. Find the answer yourself and if you don't find it, I try to help you to find it.

[dhc1]

Here's an update. Apologies for the grainy images as I wanted high speed video indoor and couldn't get enough light. It's also far too long due to the slow speed.

I'm working hard on pitch elbow, speeds/timing and keeping my hands in front of my body.

As always, I'd be grateful for any insights. Do you think that this is improvement?

[Richie3Jack]

I would probably recommend having your chin tucked in a little more at p1 instead of having the chin up at p1. Basically, chin up causes a lot more issues than I can count in the golf swing and it's a relatively simple adjustment.





3JACK

[dhc1]

Rich,

Thanks for the comment.

Looking at my swing, any thoughts on what kind is shaft would best fit my release pattern? I'm very interested in the MOI matching / balancing that you've been discussing.

[Richie3Jack]

Depends on the clubhead speed.

But looking at your swing you certainly have developed a later release. That means the shaft needs to be a bit stiffer in the tip section for your given speed otherwise the ball will fly too high and spin too much and if you don't time it right, the shaft will deflect forward more which closes the face more (IIRC, Sasho MacKenzie says that every 1 cm of forward deflection closes the face by roughly 0.7*).

I generally think you have a fairly aggressive start down as well.

So let's say you generate 100 mph with the driver. You would need a shaft that fits into that swing speed, but a bit heavier and a bit stiffer in the tip secion that the average 100 mph player would use.





3JACK