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Post by ryanjhubbell on Jul 25, 2012 12:50:51 GMT -5
Hello. Long time read, first time poster. Love this site. So about three months ago i was playing my best golf ever. Got down to about an 11 and was constantly thinking about breaking 80. My son was born in April and now I still practice quite a bit but the swing has gone south and then some. Just played Monday morning and shot a 101. Ouch.... Miss is a nasty low hook and seems to get worse the longer the club I have in my hand. The driver is really bad. I was never long but now I struggle to get it 200-220. I can't remember the last time I got something with less than 25 degrees of loft sufficiently airborne. When I do hit one well it is a heavy draw. Sometimes I pull hook it. Sometimes I just hook it. Swing has totally left me and it is frustrating. Here is a video. I think you can see both FO and DTL on this page. Thanks in advance for any advice.... golfshot.com/swings/206-273245-273465 |
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jul 25, 2012 13:43:29 GMT -5
You duck hook the ball becuase you hit the ball on the toe of the driver. Here's a tip, when you feel the clubhead coming down into the ball feel like you push the heel more towards the ball. This will help stop the toe shots (but you might develop heel shots). This game is hard. Sounds like you have a handpath issue and the only way around it is practice.
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Post by ryanjhubbell on Jul 25, 2012 14:30:33 GMT -5
Hitting it on the toe is definetly an issue for me throughout the set. When you say "hand path" does that literally just mean the path that my hands take throughout the swing? Sorry for such a dumb question.
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Post by teeace on Jul 25, 2012 15:01:15 GMT -5
Hitting it on the toe is definetly an issue for me throughout the set. When you say "hand path" does that literally just mean the path that my hands take throughout the swing? Sorry for such a dumb question. I think your hand path is too much toward the target, as many players have. With that your hands start to decelerate early and you have to stall your pivot to get them going straight. That makes the club sling and toe passes the heel and you get really closed face at impact. Try to swing low and left with your hands, actually rotate your body to get your hands there and keep the right wrist bent all the way through. By that you end up to keep the face delayed and it stays straight to the target longer even your hands go left. It feels totally crazy that hitting that much left will produce the straight ball flight, but once you find it you see it works great. |
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jul 25, 2012 15:16:55 GMT -5
Hitting it on the toe is definetly an issue for me throughout the set. When you say "hand path" does that literally just mean the path that my hands take throughout the swing? Sorry for such a dumb question. Hand path can be viewed in a variety of ways. But I think cwdlaw is talking about it being viewed from the DTL angle and simply the path that the hands travel throughout the swing. 3JACK |
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Post by teeace on Jul 25, 2012 16:02:26 GMT -5
Hitting it on the toe is definetly an issue for me throughout the set. When you say "hand path" does that literally just mean the path that my hands take throughout the swing? Sorry for such a dumb question. Hand path can be viewed in a variety of ways. But I think cwdlaw is talking about it being viewed from the DTL angle and simply the path that the hands travel throughout the swing. 3JACK Actually there is no hand path that travels through the swing without changes. Hand path I'm talking about is their distance from the target line.  The red line guy looks much like Hogan in many positions and has made few millions on tours. The other two are lower level tour players and they haven't made a lot  So the black line is target line and it tells the straight distance from that as from bird eye view. Quite sharp corner at the middle of the dsw on red line. His club head still comes much "under plane" as some will call it but only about 1 degree from inside at impact. So hands are going strongly to the left quite early, but club head still goes right. That's something I would like every golfer find. |
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Post by tba on Jul 25, 2012 16:32:48 GMT -5
@ Ryan, you have a takeway issue which leads to a few other things, I would suggest getting a qualified instructor to help you. you can't get your handpath low and left the correct way from what you're doing now.
Also you weren't actually hitting a ball from what I saw, so things can change in the move you posted when done for real.
Seek good quality instruction as a quick tip of handpath low and left isn't enough, there's a bit more that needs some attention.
Good luck!
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jul 25, 2012 19:41:30 GMT -5
Richie is correct. Teeace/Tapio/Grady is wrong. The more left you swing the more you might hit it on the toe. It's more than just face/path with duck hooks. It's gear effect. If it works, great. If not, get on Trackman to see what happens at impact.
I was ony talking about the path in the downswing to be specific and the effect of moving the sweet spot in space with hand path.
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Post by teeace on Jul 25, 2012 23:03:43 GMT -5
Richie is correct. Teeace/Tapio/Grady is wrong. The more left you swing the more you might hit it on the toe. It's more than just face/path with duck hooks. It's gear effect. If it works, great. If not, get on Trackman to see what happens at impact. I was ony talking about the path in the downswing to be specific and the effect of moving the sweet spot in space with hand path. Who the hell is Grady and why my graphs are wrong? And your claim has nothing to do with the truth. There is no connection between those two things. Also the last part is meaningless like that. "moving sweet spot in space with hand path" what a sentence |
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Post by tba on Jul 26, 2012 0:16:41 GMT -5
Richie is correct. Teeace/Tapio/Grady is wrong. The more left you swing the more you might hit it on the toe. It's more than just face/path with duck hooks. It's gear effect. If it works, great. If not, get on Trackman to see what happens at impact. I was ony talking about the path in the downswing to be specific and the effect of moving the sweet spot in space with hand path. Who the hell is Grady and why my graphs are wrong? And your claim has nothing to do with the truth. There is no connection between those two things. Also the last part is meaningless like that. "moving sweet spot in space with hand path" what a sentence Are those graphs of Ryan? Do they show Ryan's impact data? Do they show anything about Ryan's swing or are they just what you want... everyone to swing like Hogan? @ryan find a competent instructor. There is more to it than just handpath low and left. Maybe you can get on a Trackman and get your swing data and post it here and Richie or Iacas or another capable instructor can comment on that. |
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Post by teeace on Jul 26, 2012 0:35:43 GMT -5
Who the hell is Grady and why my graphs are wrong? And your claim has nothing to do with the truth. There is no connection between those two things. Also the last part is meaningless like that. "moving sweet spot in space with hand path" what a sentence Are those graphs of Ryan? Do they show Ryan's impact data? Do they show anything about Ryan's swing or are they just what you want... everyone to swing like Hogan? @ryan find a competent instructor. There is more to it than just handpath low and left. Maybe you can get on a Trackman and get your swing data and post it here and Richie or Iacas or another capable instructor can comment on that. You know what? After watching thousands of swings with videos and graphs together, you start to see the connection of the picture and the graph. After teaching this game 20 years you also start to see what is the common problem and what helps to that. I agree with you to find good instructor and also about bsw issues. I just can't see they can be fixed as far as the intention of impact and ft are in that mode. |
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Post by tba on Jul 26, 2012 0:56:22 GMT -5
I never said they can be fixed by the data. It can tell more about what is happening, then guessing what is happening about the things one cannot see just by observation with the naked eye.
I'm done as this isn't what Ryan needs, as this back and forth with you always ends up badly.
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Post by ryanjhubbell on Jul 26, 2012 1:00:17 GMT -5
Have a lesson for tommorow. Went to the range tonight and hit it a bit better (read: big draw) thinking swing "up" on the backswing rather than "around."
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Post by teeace on Jul 26, 2012 1:06:38 GMT -5
I'm done as this isn't what Ryan needs, as this back and forth with you always ends up badly. And it always happens that you or someone else start to attack me, as you did again here already in two messages. Ryan needs to keep up the hand speed to avoid ch pass the hands and close. As far his hands are moving to wrong direction and body movement can't support it, it will not change. You have to fix the path to fix the speed to fix the flipping and crossing. It's so much about forces and speed changes, not muscular action 1=1 |
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Post by tba on Jul 26, 2012 1:23:43 GMT -5
Where did I attack you? You play the victim so well! Ryan get a qualified instructor to help you, your b.s. needs some adjusting first, as you found out on the range. You have the hands popping out and the clubhead flipping around and inside low on the b.s. mostly from just using arms and hands with little b.s. pivot then you sense this subconsciously and lift your arms to the top across the line.
That's a start I'm sure your instructor will help you more than saying just swing low and left with the handpath when you can't even do that from the position you're in.
Anyways good luck with the lesson.
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