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Post by virtuoso on Jul 27, 2012 17:03:43 GMT -5
What I mean is that when he does what I told him, he really soon finds other things that he has to adjust to get it done. It will change his posture and bsw also without saying a word about those. Based on my experience, this method can work with tour pro's. I say,"ok, here are the impact angles, what do you need to do to get there?" So, you can work in reverse, so to speak. But, with amateurs, this is more difficult......ESPECIALLY when you are just trying to give them tips through cyberspace. It's been my experience that you need to put your hands on the amateurs and "set the stage" for impact. For many amateurs, the entire swing (and especially the downswing) is a "blur" and it's hard for them to pick out elephants during the blur, let alone the minutiae.
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Post by teeace on Jul 28, 2012 2:08:48 GMT -5
What I mean is that when he does what I told him, he really soon finds other things that he has to adjust to get it done. It will change his posture and bsw also without saying a word about those. Based on my experience, this method can work with tour pro's. I say,"ok, here are the impact angles, what do you need to do to get there?" So, you can work in reverse, so to speak. But, with amateurs, this is more difficult......ESPECIALLY when you are just trying to give them tips through cyberspace. It's been my experience that you need to put your hands on the amateurs and "set the stage" for impact. For many amateurs, the entire swing (and especially the downswing) is a "blur" and it's hard for them to pick out elephants during the blur, let alone the minutiae. I do 80% of my work with club players and they are amazed how easy it is to hit like that. Just try it virtuoso, try it yourself and ask someone else to try it.
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Post by teeace on Jul 28, 2012 2:10:01 GMT -5
You have experience about that or is it just how you believe it goes? tba, how many players have you been coaching and how long you have been teaching this game? Yep,yep, just swing low and left it will cure everything. Always goes this way with you, you think no one else has any experience about golf , just you, what's your problem? Yep, yep there's no possibility that in his current b.s. position and transition move that trying to do that tip of yours won't make things worse?.... ;D ;D ;D. And you're asking me for my qualifications... ;D @ Ryan, find a qualified instructor, quick tips are bandaids and sometimes they inflict more damage. Good luck! You didn't answer my simple question tba. I think we know why.
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Post by tba on Jul 28, 2012 2:29:57 GMT -5
Yep,yep, just swing low and left it will cure everything. Always goes this way with you, you think no one else has any experience about golf , just you, what's your problem? Yep, yep there's no possibility that in his current b.s. position and transition move that trying to do that tip of yours won't make things worse?.... ;D ;D ;D. And you're asking me for my qualifications... ;D @ Ryan, find a qualified instructor, quick tips are bandaids and sometimes they inflict more damage. Good luck! You didn't answer my simple question tba. I think we know why. That's funny Virt agrees with me and you don't ask for his credentials? What's your problem?, anyone who has a different opinion than you is always wrong, get over yourself, you aren't infallible. I gave Ryan excellent advice, hope he takes it and ignores your advice, swing low and left from his steep transition....yeah good advice from Mr. know it all. We? That's your problem right there , you "think" you know but you don't really know. What "we" know is you gave Ryan a tip that doesn't relate to his swing problems. That's what " we" know. Some band aids like yours actually make the golfer bleed more. ;D
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Post by ryanjhubbell on Jul 29, 2012 23:08:27 GMT -5
I'll leave the argument to people far smarter than I. Lesson went...well. Basically I could see on the monitor that my face was square at impact but I was coming in so far from the inside that the ball had no choice but to hook. Shots off the toe made it worse. We widened the stance, swung the club more around the body while keeping the hands close to the body on the backswing (key move). On the downswing I hit it best when I let my body do the work and actively tried to resist turn the club over with my hands.
This produced a shot that started right and came back to target. Path was still coming from the inside but the face was slightly open at impact which made it a workable miss?
Also shortened my backswing up a lot. I don't know whether to groove this or try to fix my path since the clubs ace was square at impact.
I will post a video of the changes tomorrow.
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Post by teeace on Jul 29, 2012 23:14:39 GMT -5
I'll leave the argument to people far smarter than I. Lesson went...well. Basically I could see on the monitor that my face was square at impact but I was coming in so far from the inside that the ball had no choice but to hook. Shots off the toe made it worse. We widened the stance, swung the club more around the body while keeping the hands close to the body on the backswing (key move). On the downswing I hit it best when I let my body do the work and actively tried to resist turn the club over with my hands. This produced a shot that started right and came back to target. Path was still coming from the inside but the face was slightly open at impact which made it a workable miss? Also shortened my backswing up a lot. I don't know whether to groove this or try to fix my path since the clubs ace was square at impact. I will post a video of the changes tomorrow. Great. And you need to have the face bit open to hit a draw. Straight will produce a hook if your path is from inside. Waiting for the video
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Post by ryanjhubbell on Jul 30, 2012 20:31:05 GMT -5
Here is the new video: golfshot.com/swings/212-276626-276852i would still like to have the hands closer to the body but the backswing plane and the downswing plane both look better here. Also would like the clubhead to say facing the ball a little further into the backswing and have the head outsidet of my hands longer.
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