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Post by cloran on Mar 4, 2010 16:37:10 GMT -5
Over the years I've worked on a million swings. Currently I'm on module 2 of Lag's program, but it's supposed to seep into your swing, not overhaul it... so I find myself going to the range and banging balls for fun anyhow. 2 years ago I worked a ton on SliceFixer's 9-3 swing. It's not meant to be a full swing, but I suffered no lack of distance and increased accuracy with this short swing. I never video taped it, but I was probably going to 10 o'clock, not 9... but still very compact.
That brings me today's range session. I hit approx 150 balls. Mixed results with the first 100. However, with the last 50 all I focused on was making a punch shot. My only swing thought was to compress the ball, punch down on it hard. Like trying to hit a screaming stinger into the wind. Short back swing, strong compression, short follow through. I was absolutely flushing it. Rarely missing the sweet spot. There's a raised green target at 145 yards. It's tiny. Maybe 5 yards wide at the opening and you can't really see how wide it is on the top, but it's not much bigger. Basically, it's a good representation of a green I'd find at my local muni. I landed it on the green at least 80% of the time with my 8i. The misses weren't far off. I figure the frozen range balls take 5%-7% of distance off my normal shots... so that would make it a 152-155 yard 8i.
I took the same swing and hit my 6 iron toward the green at 163 yards. Same results as the 8 iron. I figure with normal balls, on a warmer day, they would have flown 170 or so. Landed on the green probably 70% of the time and again, the misses weren't too far off line.
Not bad distance, and considering my accuracy and compression was so improved I'm contemplating just making this my stock swing.
I have to take some videos of the swing when I get a chance. Anyone else had a similar experience?
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 4, 2010 17:44:02 GMT -5
It sounds like you have discovered the world of TGM hitting.
Jeff.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 4, 2010 18:01:39 GMT -5
I always thought Slice's 9-3 drill was a good idea and really fits along in the lines of TGM's 'basic-acquired-total' motions curriculum. Slice's 9-3 is really just acquired motion in TGM terms. I think the basic motion is important to some golfer's to work on, but some get it down easily and just need to go to acquired.
One thing I've recommended on my blog is to work a lot on punch shots. A punch shot is supposed to be a full backswing, half follow thru. Usually though, the backswing gets a little shorter as well for whatever reason.
One of the things I did a few times last year was just play an entire round hitting punch shots with every club in the bag. If you can hit punches really well, I think that is a great sign that your swing is well in tact. OTOH, I've seen golfers who are pretty good that can't hit a punch shot to save their life and usually when the courses get tougher or the shots become more important, their swing breaks down.
Thanks for the update. Believe it or not, I'm glad you're sticking with ABS for now, I think it will work for you. I was just offended by the way you were treated by some of the members over there.
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Mar 4, 2010 18:06:34 GMT -5
Jeff, Please elaborate... because if I stumbled across a good pattern I'd like to nail it down. Perhaps I'll even patent, package, and sell it as a dvd set. I'll call it "Half and Smash." Half swing and smash the heck out of it. Seriously though, please elaborate.
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Post by cloran on Mar 4, 2010 18:09:38 GMT -5
Thanks for defending me Richie'... Between work, kids, and squeezing in golf/modules I had no energy to fight.
I'm gonna stick with it. I just hope it really seeps into my swing. I don't think it's working just yet, but I'm gonna give it a shot. What else do I have to lose, lol.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 4, 2010 20:01:43 GMT -5
Cloran,
I don't really know whether you are TGM hitting - without seeing your swing video. To be a TGM hitter, you must be primarily powering the swing with an active release of PA#1 (active straightening action of the right elbow) that is usually associated with a punch elbow orientation during the downswing hitting action. TGM hitting should "feel" somewhat like punching at the ball with a straight line thrust of your right arm.
Jeff.
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Post by cloran on Mar 4, 2010 20:37:30 GMT -5
That's the feeling for sure, but not what I'm trying to accomplish with ABS... lol.
I get to a fully cocked wrist position at about 10 o'clock and then picture a straight line from the club, through the ball, into the ground. Certainly "feels" like I'm punching it. I'll need to video it for sure.
I'm going to continue working the modules and see how the punch swing works tomorrow on a par 3 course next to my driving range. I don't see any reason why I can't do both anyhow. Lag's modules are supposed to sink into your swing DNA over time... since I have zero swing DNA right now I figure I'd better stick with a swing that works and let the modules mold it accordingly.
Do you all know anyone who uses this as their everyday swing?
We'll see.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 5, 2010 0:02:51 GMT -5
Cloran, TGM hitting is very different to JE's concept of hitting. I described the TGM hitting process (based on my personal understanding of the TGM book) in my review paper on TGM hitting versus TGM swinging. perfectgolfswingreview.net/power.htmYou can decide whether the description fits in with your present swing thoughts/mechanics. I suspect that Lee Trevino and Ken Perry are "true" TGM hitters. Arnold Palmer was also reputedly a hitter. Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 5, 2010 0:11:55 GMT -5
I feel like I am a hitter using my current swing instruction.
From the top of the swing I feel the arms drop while they are "swung" into the P6 position. From there there is a force applied to PP #1 with the right arm.
I don't feel an active blast off of PA #4 to start the downswing, its more gradual.
The biggest difference I feel in comparison to TGM hitting is that there is no active motion to straighten the right arm for power, in fact I want the right arm to stay bent through the release. The right arm is used but its hard for me to think "straighten".
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 5, 2010 0:18:20 GMT -5
Greg,
In TGM hitting, PA#1 is released actively. However, the right arm should still be slightly bent at impact because the endpoint for complete release of PA#1 is the end of the followthrough.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 5, 2010 0:24:39 GMT -5
I did a frame by frame on my swing and the right arm stays bent all the way through the swing, the arms straight after impact does not occur, this is by design.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 5, 2010 0:36:50 GMT -5
Greg,
You wrote-: "The biggest difference I feel in comparison to TGM hitting is that there is no active motion to straighten the right arm for power, in fact I want the right arm to stay bent through the release. The right arm is used but its hard for me to think "straighten".
I am confused. If you are not actively straightening your right arm to supply swing power (via the active release of PA#1), then how do you use your right arm to supply swing power in a hitting manner?
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 5, 2010 0:39:52 GMT -5
I pull in like in a tug of war, not push out like a breaking a board in a karate move.
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Post by socal on Mar 5, 2010 0:44:39 GMT -5
Over the years I've worked on a million swings. Currently I'm on module 2 of Lag's program, but it's supposed to seep into your swing, not overhaul it... so I find myself going to the range and banging balls for fun anyhow. 2 years ago I worked a ton on SliceFixer's 9-3 swing. It's not meant to be a full swing, but I suffered no lack of distance and increased accuracy with this short swing. I never video taped it, but I was probably going to 10 o'clock, not 9... but still very compact. That brings me today's range session. I hit approx 150 balls. Mixed results with the first 100. However, with the last 50 all I focused on was making a punch shot. My only swing thought was to compress the ball, punch down on it hard. Like trying to hit a screaming stinger into the wind. Short back swing, strong compression, short follow through. I was absolutely flushing it. Rarely missing the sweet spot. There's a raised green target at 145 yards. It's tiny. Maybe 5 yards wide at the opening and you can't really see how wide it is on the top, but it's not much bigger. Basically, it's a good representation of a green I'd find at my local muni. I landed it on the green at least 80% of the time with my 8i. The misses weren't far off. I figure the frozen range balls take 5%-7% of distance off my normal shots... so that would make it a 152-155 yard 8i. I took the same swing and hit my 6 iron toward the green at 163 yards. Same results as the 8 iron. I figure with normal balls, on a warmer day, they would have flown 170 or so. Landed on the green probably 70% of the time and again, the misses weren't too far off line. Not bad distance, and considering my accuracy and compression was so improved I'm contemplating just making this my stock swing. I have to take some videos of the swing when I get a chance. Anyone else had a similar experience? Cloran, move that ball more forward like the hogan diagram and your ball flight will be higher. The ball just screams up on a different trajectory.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 5, 2010 10:39:21 GMT -5
Greg,
You wrote-: "I pull in like in a tug of war, not push out like a breaking a board in a karate move."
From my understanding of golf biomechanics, the only right sided force that "pulls-in" is due to right upper arm adduction. If a golfer thrusts the right shoulder downplane and simultaneously adducts the right arm forcefully, then one can apply a push-force to the grip end of the club through the impact zone. In that situation, the straightening right arm simply increases the length of the right arm lever in the late downswing. I wonder if that may be your method of hitting.
Jeff.
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