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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 18, 2010 15:11:55 GMT -5
Attached is a photo and video of my swing. I am playing to a 6.7 right now. Last year I was a 10 and about March I decided to start researching the net on how to move my swing forward. I have had very few lessons in my life. Latest swing ideas is moving more towards a two axis pivot getting the weight off the front foot at the top, I have trouble rotating enough on the downswing and that weight only made it harder, this pushed the plane right and I hit hooks. This has worked well lately and I have added a lot of distance but still hooking it. I also attached a pic of my grip. I am hoping to make this a thread I update from time to time. Sequence Swing Face On DTL Grip
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jan 18, 2010 19:52:22 GMT -5
Personally, I think your (and mine) shoulders are too closed at impact. That moves the plane line to the right and causes the hook.
I'm working on that right now, although my problem is that I over-accelerate the hands as well with closed shoulders so I tend to have problems with hitting push fades because the plane line is too far to the right, but my clubface is also open at impact.
3JACK
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Post by fearlessgolfer on Jan 18, 2010 21:24:39 GMT -5
Your shoulders are too closed or GETS too closed due to being too HIGH at P6~p7.
Try to keep the left shoulder lower or feels like level, or keep the right shoulder back longer, yet keep the club coming from inside which U will if your weight is forward enough and hips linear not rotary.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jan 18, 2010 23:22:13 GMT -5
I did forget to say that there are noticeable improvements in your swing. Keep up the good work!
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 19, 2010 11:29:10 GMT -5
Thanks,
Its tough to see with the dark clothing but my hips are noticeably more open than last month, I would imagine this is why I have picked up so much more distance, that and the launch angle has increased.
What does anyone think of the grip? I would like to think its neutral but I am sure pulling a lot of shots.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jan 19, 2010 11:48:48 GMT -5
Grip looks fine. I think the pulls are a result of the shoulders being closed at impact.
I think that's probably the biggest obstacle in your swing to overcome. If you can get them open at impact, I think you'll be shocked at how much better your ballstriking will be.
3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 19, 2010 12:44:02 GMT -5
Grip looks fine. I think the pulls are a result of the shoulders being closed at impact. I think that's probably the biggest obstacle in your swing to overcome. If you can get them open at impact, I think you'll be shocked at how much better your ballstriking will be. 3JACK I will work on it. The visual that caught my eye was Hogans plastic band to the wall, I don't feel that in my swing.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 19, 2010 14:04:43 GMT -5
I can see why Rich thinks that your shoulders are too closed at impact - they appear to be square to the ball-target line at impact.
However, I don't think that square shoulders at impact will necessarily predispose to pulled/hooked shots if a golfer continues to pivot well into the followthrough, so that the body/arms/clubhaft rotate at the same rpm.
I personally think that your swing is excellent and your DTL swing video shows an excellent ball flight.
It is true that you are less open at impact than many professional golfers, but there are two reasons for that phenomenon - i) a slightly sluggish pivot action due to a large amount of body mass and ii) a tendency to have a lot of rightwards spinal tilt during your swing. If one's head is far back at address/end-backswing/downswing due to a significant amount of rightwards spinal tilt, then it becomes more difficult to acquire an open pelvis/open shoulders position at impact if one's pivot action is slightly sluggish. I personally don't think that you even need to "correct" those theoretical problems because you have excellent impact alignments and excellent ball flight (on your DTL video).
I think that your grip is perfectly neutral.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 19, 2010 15:00:33 GMT -5
I am working on the pivot, I think I am understanding the bio mechanics better on the sequencing and once I get that down it will not be as sluggish. I think the tilt is related to this initial move. My question for you is about the plane lines, I have a sequence with some lines drawn, I am mostly concerned with being below plane. What do you think? Thanks for your time,
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 19, 2010 15:13:10 GMT -5
Greg I think that many golfers think they are underplane when drawing lines in the same manner that you have drawn those lines. However, there is a lot of parallax distortion due to an imperfect DTL camera angle, and you may get a wrong impression that you are "underplane". When looking at your swing video, I do not get the impression that you are coming into impact "underplane" (relative to your "selected" impact plane). Consider this sequence At the delivery position (image 7 in the DTL sequence) your clubshaft is parallel to the ball-target line, If you were "underplane" your clubshaft would be farther back (more inside) at that time point. Jeff.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jan 19, 2010 18:21:05 GMT -5
My thoughts are that if you are no long 'flipping' at impact. The left wrist is flat and that's a big reason why you are hitting the ball so much better than you were. If you look at the last pic showing you just after impact, you are closing the clubface quite a bit. I think this *has* to happen when your shoulders are not open at impact because that's the only way the club can keep moving. While the ball is already gone at this point, as Lynn Blake pointed out in one of his videos you have to 'prepare' to get in that position past impact.
So I think what happens on the pull is that is that the square/closed shoulders at impact gets you closing the clubface a little early and you wind up with a closed face at impact. I'm working on the same thing and I should have a video up tomorrow on the blog about it.
3JACK
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Post by vjsinger on Jan 19, 2010 20:43:56 GMT -5
Greetings. Just wondered if you ever considered steeping the shoulder turn on the BS? This could help with the DS pivot.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jan 19, 2010 22:44:11 GMT -5
I was thinking that as well, but his backswing looks pretty good for the most part. Lake was telling me this last week, one of the issues with a steep shoulder turn on the backswing is that the shoulders get steep on the downswing. So what happens is the golfer swings too far out to the right. I think it's more steep on BS and pretty flat on the downswing.
Welcome aboard, VJ
3JACK
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Post by johngrahamgolf on Jan 20, 2010 0:06:44 GMT -5
Grip looks fine. I think the pulls are a result of the shoulders being closed at impact. I think that's probably the biggest obstacle in your swing to overcome. If you can get them open at impact, I think you'll be shocked at how much better your ballstriking will be. 3JACK I will work on it. The visual that caught my eye was Hogans plastic band to the wall, I don't feel that in my swing. This will certainly help you swing more left. Is your contact the same on the face with your pulls and hooks or are they out on the toe. JGG
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 20, 2010 0:25:18 GMT -5
3jack
You wrote-: "the square/closed shoulders at impact gets you closing the clubface a little early."
Could you please explain your proposed causal association - between a square (or slightly closed) shoulder at impact and early closing of the clubface through impact? I cannot understand the biomechanical factors that would predispose to an early closing of the clubface - if the shoulders are square (or slightly closed) at impact, rather than slightly open at impact.
Jeff.
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