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Post by anthony on Nov 25, 2012 4:59:44 GMT -5
What is the most important key of choosing a stroke and how did everybody land with whatever they do rather well?
I ended up with a arc stroke , but enough about myself , lets hear it !
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Post by iacas on Nov 25, 2012 9:27:42 GMT -5
I don't think you "choose" a stroke. You start putting and you modify what you've got.
And virtually everyone uses an arc stroke. The "inside down the line" variant is generally the better ones, but inside to inside is okay, and even inside to out is okay (though the worst of the three typically).
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Post by anthony on Nov 25, 2012 10:33:53 GMT -5
Every single teacher I go to here teaches sbst. Farbergasted. Most of the naturaltime it will end up as cut strokes.
Point is eventually I evolved on myself to a arc stroke.
Though i now focus a lot on theimpact sound and gohitting it on sweet spot and hittingthat's theonly possible with an arc andand garmy release. At least to me
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Post by Richie3Jack on Nov 25, 2012 10:42:26 GMT -5
You can try SBST, but your odds of actually doing it or at least consistently are slim and none. Loren Roberts actually utilizes a cut-across stroke according to SAM Puttlab data.
I think if you look at enough SAM Puttlab data and see the Tour pros strokes versus the rest, the main difference is that the Tour players have extremely consistent putting strokes. Regardless of what their stroke looks like, they can repeat it time and time again. And the best of the Tour pros usually get the putterface square to the target at impact or very close to it, time and time again. Along with making good contact.
3JACK
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Post by anthony on Nov 25, 2012 11:05:51 GMT -5
I am wondering if a great impact on putting will end up helping the player. Geoff magum discount a arc strokes to be inconsistent inconsistent.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Nov 25, 2012 11:35:52 GMT -5
Geoff promotes arcing inward, and then going down the line in the thru swing.
3JACK
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Post by iacas on Nov 25, 2012 14:54:28 GMT -5
Geoff promotes arcing inward, and then going down the line in the thru swing. Yeah. Inside-down-the-line. SBST strokes require too much manipulation of the wrists or shoulders that are set horizontally. It's not consistent or practical for putts longer than a very short distance.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Nov 25, 2012 17:24:39 GMT -5
Geoff promotes arcing inward, and then going down the line in the thru swing. Yeah. Inside-down-the-line. SBST strokes require too much manipulation of the wrists or shoulders that are set horizontally. It's not consistent or practical for putts longer than a very short distance. Good point Iacas. I think another weakness of SBST is that it might work on really fast greens (>11 stimp) because you don't take the putter back that far and can simulate a straighter "arc." How do you see good putters squaring up the face at impact? A little gamma torque (screw driver - hands action) while on the arc?
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Post by anthony on Nov 25, 2012 19:30:55 GMT -5
So its more important to have a stroke that we feel comfortable and repeatedable. Vs sound mechanics?
As long as we can execute what we see in our mind its a good strokes to. or there is eventuallymore to it?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Nov 25, 2012 21:10:42 GMT -5
I know David Orr would feel that way. I've read stuff from him where he has had to tell Charlie Wi repeatedly to stop worrying about perfect mechanics.
I generally think there is only one optimal way to do something. Everything else is not optimal. However, you can still be great doing non-optimal things.
3JACK
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Post by teeace on Nov 26, 2012 5:39:41 GMT -5
You can try SBST, but your odds of actually doing it or at least consistently are slim and none. Loren Roberts actually utilizes a cut-across stroke according to SAM Puttlab data. I think if you look at enough SAM Puttlab data and see the Tour pros strokes versus the rest, the main difference is that the Tour players have extremely consistent putting strokes. Regardless of what their stroke looks like, they can repeat it time and time again. And the best of the Tour pros usually get the putterface square to the target at impact or very close to it, time and time again. Along with making good contact. 3JACK Richie, you are just on money here. How many players we got who has tried to fix their putting so many ways during the years and every year something new how they try to find that silver bullet that makes it work. I have believed for years now that after you get some basics right, there is nothing els left than hit few million balls with your putter to the target and know the exact point (that 1,5mm point) where you want to hit at the ball. That will square the face and send the ball to right direction all the time. And repeating that year after year without changes just makes it better and better, without back steps.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Nov 26, 2012 8:54:15 GMT -5
There is no question in my mind, that regardless of the player and their skill, their best putting days come when their speed/touch is the best. The reason for improving putting mechanics should be to become more consistent with the stroke and the contact of the ball, so you better gauge the speed.
If you have a lot of compensations in the stroke, you're not likely to be consistent with your putting stroke. If your aim is off at address with the putter, you're likely to make compensations for that and the more compensations you have, the more likely that one of those compensations will be off. If you read greens poorly, you will compensate for that poor read.
Loren Roberts' stroke is hardly ideal. But, he repeats it. Most golfers cannot repeat that type of stroke with so many compensations.
3JACK
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