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Post by cloran on Mar 11, 2010 16:16:29 GMT -5
because at least they aren't lying about what metal they are using I always try to find a silver lining, lol.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 11, 2010 17:24:30 GMT -5
That was an interesting read... So, basically: Either Scratch IS using 1018 and it's an inferior metal (but branded otherwise) or they are using another metal that is BETTER than 1018. Win/Win, lol. Or the original author doesn't know what he's talking about. 3JACK
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Post by cloran on Mar 11, 2010 17:33:53 GMT -5
Very true, good point.
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Post by iteachgolf on Mar 12, 2010 2:03:31 GMT -5
Scratch golf uses 1018 and it is not an inferior metal. In the past Wilson and other manufacturers have used the same metal from the forging house. Ari posted an order sheet showing the metal used and specs. The person who the article claims is dead is quite alive and very upset that someone is claiming he had died.
BTW Tell Ari and Patrick I said hey
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Post by golfbaka on Mar 12, 2010 5:27:08 GMT -5
From there business point of view it could be a bit of a blow to their reputation.
They're young guys probably not experts in metallurgy or Japanese I'm not really surprised they may have got their wires crossed with some things that they have said... (If they have of course that remains to be proven...)
Saying that, I love how they're a start up company really going after a niche. From a business point of view they clearly add alot of added value to their products.
I wish there were some small golf companys in the UK, like Scratch, producing bespoke quality products rather than turning out cheap junk!
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 12, 2010 10:52:36 GMT -5
Thanks iteach. Glad to have you aboard.
That's basically what my opinion was. I have a few golfers I know who use their irons and/or wedges and they talk about how soft they feel and they have opinions I trust when it comes to golf and equipment.
It kind of reminds me of the sarcastic saying 'it's on the internet, so it must be true.'
I wonder what type of steel Hogan irons used when they were doing their forgings in Ft. Worth.
3JACK
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Post by iteachgolf on Mar 12, 2010 11:39:07 GMT -5
Thanks iteach. Glad to have you aboard. That's basically what my opinion was. I have a few golfers I know who use their irons and/or wedges and they talk about how soft they feel and they have opinions I trust when it comes to golf and equipment. It kind of reminds me of the sarcastic saying 'it's on the internet, so it must be true.' I wonder what type of steel Hogan irons used when they were doing their forgings in Ft. Worth. 3JACK Hogan used 1020 before being bought by Callaway and likely 1025 prior to that.
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Post by siteseer2 on Mar 12, 2010 21:05:21 GMT -5
You know, just consider the above "noise"... Ari is a GREAT guy...he and I go back a ways, and share a love of the classics... he hooked me up with a set of Superblades... GREAT irons...unbelieveably foregiving for a muscle back blade...very buttery soft, and solid...
Chris at TSG is a GOOD guy, and not prone to mudsling...so not sure what to make of all this...so I'll just stay neutral...
BUT Ritchie, you'll love the SBs...
As far as classics...look, I've played them all... In irons Wilson Dynapower irons were THE irons, period, True for the 50s, 60s 70s and into the early eighties.... NOTHING compared...most ALL the tour guys played Dynapower irons... 60s were very popular as were the 62s and 64s .... MacGregor OWNED the Driver and Fairway woods-- nobody made persimmon heads like Mac.. Macs irons were lacking...excepting the "by Nicklaus" VIPs 1964s and 65s...the rest were sorta duds...
Hogan irons were very mediocre, IMO....very poorly balanced, with WAY too much weight in the hosel... Alot of guys simply could not play them without shanking them...about the only guys who played them were the texas boys, and the Hogan wannabes
Back in the day, they didn't have tour vans...the guy who did most of the work was a guy named Bobby Farino. Commish Beaman hooked him up, and he was at all the tour stops, doing all the clubwork.... I knew Bobby pretty well (though I was young), and the "market" was Mac woods, Wilson Dynapower irons, and Dynapower sandwedges...and Wilson 8802s and Designed by AP, with select Pings (Scottsdales and Redwood Cities, primarily)
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 12, 2010 22:42:54 GMT -5
Hogan irons were very mediocre, IMO....very poorly balanced, with WAY too much weight in the hosel... Alot of guys simply could not play them without shanking them...about the only guys who played them were the texas boys, and the Hogan wannabes I have to disagree with this. I've hit just about every vintage MacGregor iron, most Wilson Staff vintage iron, the Founders Club 200 series, and the Mizunos. I just love the Hogan's too much. I currently have some IPT's, Apex PC's and '67 Percussions. I also have hit the Redlines, Apex II's, Medallions, BH Grinds, etc. Hands down Hogan's are the best IMO. And without question for me the '67 Percussions are the greatest set of irons I've ever hit. Plus, I have some MacGregor 985's that have the same length hosel as the Hogan IPTs and Percussions. Probably the thing I like most is the sharp leading edge on the Hogan's...for whatever reason it makes the club feel better when you compress it. I'd like to try some '59 and '68 Dynapowers and obviously I'd like to try the SB-1's as well. But I also want to get some Hogan Bounce Soles down the line as well. I'm still a big fan of the modern design clubs as their lie angles are flatter, the forgings are better and I like the leading designs. I think the only problem I have with the 60's Hogans is the lofts are a little too weak, but the Apex PC's have a nice blend of weaker loft, but higher COG. I saw Tom Wishon talk about what Hogan's personal set of irons were like and one thing he mentioned was how sharp the leading edges were and in his words 'any other golfer would hit them fat 80% of the time.' I have a great deal of respect for Mr. Wishon. But I think that describes the mindset of clubfitters and club designers/engineers. They are concerned with making it easy for the golfer. Instead of a golfer learning how to properly compress a golf ball and find the low point correctly, they want to design clubs to take that out of play. The problem is, and I think Michael Lavery of 'Whole Brain Power' will agree with me is that once you allow the golfer to 'get away' with having to be precise with their swing, the less precise their swing becomes. 3JACK
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