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Post by cloran on Jun 21, 2010 21:03:05 GMT -5
67-65-68 gets you SECOND PLACE!!!! Geesh!
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 21, 2010 21:09:02 GMT -5
67-65-68 gets you SECOND PLACE!!!! Geesh! I had a friend who finished 8th on the Hooters Tour money list and for the year after expenses he told me he broke even. It's not a great lifestyle on the mini-tours. 3JACK
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Post by fearlessgolfer on Jun 21, 2010 21:34:06 GMT -5
Same goes for LPGA tour, Richie.
I know a few that folded their tent due to expenses and ever so tiresome life styles.
fearlessgolfer
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 21, 2010 22:08:35 GMT -5
The LPGA is tough now because there are so few tournaments. A lot of people knock Natalie Gulbis for her dress and being more of a model than a golfer, but her ability to earn income as an LPGA golfer is not very high nor will it last long. I used to think PGA Tour golfers were a bit greedy going for the big endorsement $$$ when if they stuck with their normal equipment, they could have a better career and then there's always the Senior (Champions) Tour. But even now that is in a bit of a flux.
I always harp on the marketing of the game because I believe the Tours, outside of the PGA Tour, are currently in a crisis and nobody seems to be willing to do anything about it. And if you don't watch it...you never know...the PGA Tour could be in trouble down the road as well. I doubt that will happen, but crazy stuff does happen.
People need to remember that it wasn't too long ago when EVERY Champions Tour (then the Senior Tour) was televised, usually on ESPN.
But, it happens in other sports. In the 80's, MLB and the NBA were big hits. But 20 years later the NFL is the big game in town while MLB and NBA's ratings and attendance have taken hits. Why? Because the NFL marketed their product better and pleased their entire fanbase whereas MLB and NBA often did a poor job of marketing their product (more MLB than NBA) and neglected big chunks of their fanbase.
I don't think it's THAT hard to aggressively and smartly market players. I hear a lot of people say 'well, that person hasn't won anything, so you can't really market them.' Well, what has Dallas Cowboys QB Tony Romo won? 1-playoff game (and yes, I'm a diehard Cowboys fan, so it pains me to say this). Yet, he's marketed heavily and is a person that brings in viewers and attendance. Adrian Peterson hasn't won jack. Neither has Randy Moss, etc.
Of course, I don't expect the Hooters Tour to start paying more, but there's a serious problem with the LPGA and then the Champions Tour and IMO, that's doing the game in general a lot of harm.
3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 21, 2010 22:35:41 GMT -5
Maybe a topic for another thread but the LPGA started out as an american tour but its an international tour now, yet they seem to be relying on american corporate dollars to survive and those companies I think have a hard to time relating to many of the asian presence on the tour.
I think the same thing would happen if it gets that way on the PGA tour, and let me tell you from what I saw at the AJGA events I attended it very well could.
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Post by jonnygrouville on Jun 22, 2010 5:10:53 GMT -5
A mate from home was on the European Tour for years. Only won one event, but always kept his card - lots of cuts, nothing spectacular. He never had a full equipment sponsor. People think it is automatic, but he had to put his hand into his pocket for a lot of his kit as well as expenses.
I remember chatting to a guy who won the Nationwide and did his year on the PGA tour and he had a terrible time with his sponsors.
Could better managers have done more for them? Probably, but how are unspectacular golfers going to get good management?
I think American corporates might well have an issue relating to Asia, but I think we're going to have lots of money in the emerging markets. HSBC used to sponsor the Wentworth matchplay, but now only sponsor Asian events and I think we could see other corporates considering the same sort of approach.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 22, 2010 9:40:30 GMT -5
A mate from home was on the European Tour for years. Only won one event, but always kept his card - lots of cuts, nothing spectacular. He never had a full equipment sponsor. People think it is automatic, but he had to put his hand into his pocket for a lot of his kit as well as expenses. I remember chatting to a guy who won the Nationwide and did his year on the PGA tour and he had a terrible time with his sponsors. Could better managers have done more for them? Probably, but how are unspectacular golfers going to get good management? I think American corporates might well have an issue relating to Asia, but I think we're going to have lots of money in the emerging markets. HSBC used to sponsor the Wentworth matchplay, but now only sponsor Asian events and I think we could see other corporates considering the same sort of approach. I could see it going the way you stated in the last paragraph and that would make kind of one universal tour world wide, but in the end it will be a whole lot less money because of the TV revenue would just about die.
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Post by fearlessgolfer on Jun 22, 2010 10:57:49 GMT -5
Gmbtempe, I agree that this should be another topic regards to LPGA and it's sponsors, and the requirements. Perhaps, Richie can find a way to shed some light on this topic of LPGA and it's status, commissioner, foriegn players, sponsors, TV venue, strength of the field and the money.
fearlessgolfer
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Post by iteachgolf on Jun 22, 2010 19:59:38 GMT -5
to get this back on topic
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Post by iteachgolf on Jun 22, 2010 20:06:56 GMT -5
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 22, 2010 20:15:36 GMT -5
That looks really good, I prefer more centered but the alignments look really good.
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Post by iteachgolf on Jun 22, 2010 20:22:29 GMT -5
After this mornings lesson
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Post by iteachgolf on Jun 22, 2010 20:26:10 GMT -5
That looks really good, I prefer more centered but the alignments look really good. He's only been playing a few months now and if he wants to will be very good.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 22, 2010 20:27:44 GMT -5
That looks really good, I prefer more centered but the alignments look really good. He's only been playing a few months now and if he wants to will be very good. no doubt, thats a better swing than many many players out there.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 22, 2010 20:28:55 GMT -5
After this mornings lesson swing at 138, looked like he kept the backswing a little flatter, to hit a draw, or its alright to tell me to get some glasses?
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