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Post by jeffy on Aug 5, 2013 19:35:14 GMT -5
Jeffry - For new tubes sake, how about you give some detail and tell us when is early and when is late. Step up to the plate. It can't just be a look. If there hasn't been any supination before the release of right shoulder internal rotation (which happens at different times in different swings), then there is no "early supination". Isn't that kind of obvious?
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Post by jeffy on Aug 5, 2013 19:41:14 GMT -5
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Post by jeffy on Aug 5, 2013 19:42:00 GMT -5
I thought Mann said : I will donate $1,000 to Jeffy's golf forum if he can demonstrate how early "pure" left forearm supination can close the clubface to the clubhead arc - in the absence of an additional clubface-closing biomechanical action. Clubhead arc = path.
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Post by jeffy on Aug 5, 2013 19:56:27 GMT -5
Nonsense. It's pure geometry.
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Post by jeffy on Aug 5, 2013 20:00:43 GMT -5
It's like showing up is up. I'm not going to make a video to "prove" that.
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Post by jeffy on Aug 5, 2013 20:01:31 GMT -5
At least not tonight. Haven't had dinner yet. Maybe later if I run out of things to do.
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Post by jeffy on Aug 5, 2013 20:05:31 GMT -5
Tapio has already done it, btw, about 5,000 times.
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Jeff Mann
Aug 5, 2013 22:13:22 GMT -5
via mobile
Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 5, 2013 22:13:22 GMT -5
RJ -
Either Jeffy previously agreed with you or else someone used his name to post on his forum.
I wouldn't be surprised if Jeffy's position has evolved. I'm sure he'll comment.
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Post by teeace on Aug 6, 2013 0:19:13 GMT -5
Tapio has already done it, btw, about 5,000 times. Yeah but his video is complete garbage and I showed that and anyone like I said with an arm a wrist and a brain can figure it out. No, what is total garbage is Jeff Manns comment about it. Total proof that he got no idea what he is talking about and he just wants to be against everyone. And his comment also tells he don't even know how to grip the club... poor old guy
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Post by teeace on Aug 6, 2013 0:27:08 GMT -5
Ah actually that is you not a medical doctor. Also that face is not closed but delofted. You never lowered it to the impact area keeping it in the same orientation for anyone to see. But like I said anyone can do it for themselves to see how totally wrong you are. Plus we can't even see the face in most of the video. You need to shut up man of no knowledge...geeez! I did that in many other videos. How the hell one can be so idiotic, that cant't understand that if the shaft rotates, face closes, no matter if the club is high or low or moving in some illusion called plane. This finger torguing talk is most funny. I'd really like to see someone doing PF without moving his fingers
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Post by teeace on Aug 6, 2013 0:54:13 GMT -5
What's funny is how you can be so wrong yet think you're right. Jeff Mann is right on the money and you are not even in the same ball park. To get bit better idea about your health of mind we should maybe read this thread where you post by name flacco, that is one of about 100 nicknames you have been using. At least same IP and same address for all of those. Ralphs destroyed forumI just wonder why Richie allows you to do that same thing here because it's only question of time when you destroy this also. And if you can't behave better Ray, next it will be PM's you keep sending there. If those were sent to right place there would be medical people picking you up already and lock you somewhere.
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Post by teeace on Aug 6, 2013 1:35:46 GMT -5
You're crazier than I ever imagined, please post the picture of my house and car again and give everyone my address. Nothing but crazy accusations all because you cannot handle someone who asks the hard questions and proves you are wrong. Why would anyone believe a person that posts a picture and claims it to be one of my car and house when he knows it isn't , you don't know who's car or house that is do you. . I didn't claim anything. I think education in Canada should be better if there is more guys like you who can't read. I asked if it was your car and all that information was just based on IP locator with the IP you created 4 nicknames at the same time to my forum. And somehow Ray... if there is one idiot like you claiming me wrong, I wonder why there is 100 for each of you agreeing with me. Including lot of medical doctors and other anatomy experts. That's the point you should think a while.
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Post by teeace on Aug 6, 2013 2:13:19 GMT -5
Go ahead Tapio prove that the i.p. locator can spot my car or my house, let's see it. Totally ridiculous claim. What's any of your crazy accusations doing on this forum anyways? You have your own forum don't you? I only told IP locator pointed it to that point and there was 4 nicknames created by the same IP. Somehow it seems that those 4 are not the only ones you have created to different forums. Is 100 enough and how you think is the mind healthy of the guy who does that? No need to answer, members can decide themselves. And I'm here to help people to understand things better and share information all the time. What is your agenda? Can you point out one message which includes some real information or is something else than attacking other people?
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Post by teeace on Aug 6, 2013 2:39:24 GMT -5
This video is totally artificial and unrelated to "real life" golf swing reality. In "real life" the club is held diagonally across the palm, and any left wrist palmar flexion maneuver would angle/displace the shaft. Tapio is preventing any clubshaft angulation from happening in his video. Also, if you perform a "pure" left wrist palmar flexion maneuver with the clubshaft angled diagonally across the palm and simultaneously kept both the PIP and DIP joints of the fingers in full extension so you couldn't grip-torque the club, then the club would angle away from the target and there would be no rotary motion of the club around its longitudinal axis, and therefore no clubface closing. Jeff. And here is the point where Jeff Mann is totally lost. There is lot of players with perpendicular grip (long thumb) hitting great shots, there is lot of player with more diagonal grip(short thumb) , but no players who keep it in palm and shaft running parallel to the forearm. I also explain that difference in my videos how that grip difference affects to the club face closure, but of course JM leaves that part without comments because he got his agenda and picks up only those words where he can create opposite opinion. I meet lot of people IRL and also in net behind the scenes and 100% of them says JM has lost all his credibility by that kind of things. It's kind of pity as he also got good points sometimes. Still waiting the time in forums when people can move on and start to understand forces behind the moves we see. Also opposite forces and how to create dynamic balance and right kind of acceleration through the impact. Maybe 5 year more is fine...
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Post by Richie3Jack on Aug 6, 2013 7:50:33 GMT -5
I've decided to ban rj.
It's obvious he has not read the rules with regards to this folder.
This is a golf instructor 'safe haven' of sorts. Thus, you can't start in with an instructor like Tapio here.
I will lock this thread for now as I will be deleting rj's posts as part of the rules for this folder. I will then re-open the thread when that is finished.
If you don't want to end up like rj, I recommend that you don't start in with an instructor in this folder. If you want to 'debate', that's more reserved for the older folders.
3JACK
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