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Post by jeffy on Aug 4, 2013 12:11:54 GMT -5
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Post by teeace on Aug 4, 2013 12:14:22 GMT -5
Closed-to-open? Isn't that what Manzella is saying players that fight an early closing face are doing? Using body rotation to delay the closure? If the face is closing early and you are doing things to keep it open, sounds closed-to-open to me. Even Brian likes Kel's ideas! vimeo.com/71467749And including right elbow close to the hip and elbow pit pointing to the caddie. That's opening the face relative to the path and forces that are closing it. Both things are needed to prevent high ROC AROUND the impact area.
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Post by jeffy on Aug 4, 2013 12:19:26 GMT -5
Closed-to-open? Isn't that what Manzella is saying players that fight an early closing face are doing? Using body rotation to delay the closure? If the face is closing early and you are doing things to keep it open, sounds closed-to-open to me. Even Brian likes Kel's ideas! vimeo.com/71467749And including right elbow close to the hip and elbow pit pointing to the caddie. That's opening the face relative to the path and forces that are closing it. Both things are needed to prevent high ROC AROUND the impact area. Of course, you know, me and Kel know that. But, Bman? Nah....
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Post by teeace on Aug 4, 2013 12:22:15 GMT -5
Nice thread but I have stopped to be too much in details and try to find the most relevant points to help players my way. I don't blame anyone who is doing that and I like most that bad information is getting out of the markets. I think I have found the way to produce enough power and low ROC for my students and there is not many things I tell them. After that last few degrees they have to learn by feelings and talent and after they hit it well .. one million wedge shots inside of 100 yds
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Post by jeffy on Aug 4, 2013 12:24:12 GMT -5
Another thing, Clay, you are making all the fuss about trail wrist extension in the DHers, which is interesting and unexpected, but I'd like to know who the players are as well as see a few other DHers before I jump to conclusions. But, in addition, there is something else very interesting that may be going on there with trail wrist extension, but you are too dumb to see it. We'll try to get more graphs from Tyler to confirm while you just continue to lick Bman's butthole.
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Post by rj on Aug 4, 2013 12:33:00 GMT -5
RJ - Haven't you ever heard of closed to open? Come on! Drive holders are supinating in the downswing with very little pronation in the trail forearm.Check out Keller's graphs again, genius. All five players were supinating the trail forearm before impact (and it was just before impact Ray, not "waaayyy" before). You just say anything with zero thought and get things backwards as often as not. But I guess you don't care how stupid you look. You just want to score points, even if its on your own goal. Lots of things happen at different times in the d.s. but what I said is at a certain point you can't change anything especially while the ball is on the face.... learn to read Jeffy. The subconscious mind is in control because the conscious mind acts to slow and the subconscious mind is a non communicating dictator. And lots of things are predetermined by that non communicating dictator before you get set to swing and that is what I meant about waaay before. The only way to over-ride it is go conscious and that usually doesn't work so well while playing the game. And closed to open is garbage, you're just trying to maintain the amount you already closed the face....that's what you're trying to say but for some reason you can't get it right. You're welcome.
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Post by jeffy on Aug 4, 2013 12:46:33 GMT -5
Check out Keller's graphs again, genius. All five players were supinating the trail forearm before impact (and it was just before impact Ray, not "waaayyy" before). You just say anything with zero thought and get things backwards as often as not. But I guess you don't care how stupid you look. You just want to score points, even if its on your own goal. Lots of things happen at different times in the d.s. but what I said is at a certain point you can't change anything especially while the ball is on the face.... learn to read Jeffy. The subconscious mind is in control because the conscious mind acts to slow and the subconscious mind is a non communicating dictator. And lots of things are predetermined by that non communicating dictator before you get set to swing and that is what I meant about waaay before. The only way to over-ride it is go conscious and that usually doesn't work so well while playing the game. And closed to open is garbage, you're just trying to maintain the amount you already closed the face....that's what you're trying to say but for some reason you can't get it right. You're welcome. You over-ride by training so it becomes subconscious. Closed to open may be garbage but it is a great way to play. Just ask Woodland.
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Post by rj on Aug 4, 2013 13:00:42 GMT -5
Lots of things happen at different times in the d.s. but what I said is at a certain point you can't change anything especially while the ball is on the face.... learn to read Jeffy. The subconscious mind is in control because the conscious mind acts to slow and the subconscious mind is a non communicating dictator. And lots of things are predetermined by that non communicating dictator before you get set to swing and that is what I meant about waaay before. The only way to over-ride it is go conscious and that usually doesn't work so well while playing the game. And closed to open is garbage, you're just trying to maintain the amount you already closed the face....that's what you're trying to say but for some reason you can't get it right. You're welcome. You over-ride by training so it becomes subconscious. Closed to open may be garbage but it is a great way to play. Just ask Woodland. Yes of course you have to be conscious while training. While playing it's better to not be, but it isn't always possible. Woodland is trying to maintain.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 4, 2013 15:31:11 GMT -5
Another thing, Clay, you are making all the fuss about trail wrist extension in the DHers, which is interesting and unexpected, but I'd like to know who the players are as well as see a few other DHers before I jump to conclusions. But, in addition, there is something else very interesting that may be going on there with trail wrist extension, but you are too dumb to see it. We'll try to get more graphs from Tyler to confirm while you just continue to lick Bman's butthole. Genius - Why don't you ask him for some velocity graphs while your at it? Have you broke 90 this year? I doubt it. I'm surprised you can even read those graphs. You were the genius with the closed to open bullshit. Don't give that turd to Bmam. That's all you. Of course you want to see more because you look like a horse tooth jackass about the trail wrist. Of course it's driving. Ask Tyler for a velocity graph. I dare you. Of course, low rate this, low rate that. The only things low rate are your game and classification errors. Keep hitting those Patty Bergs!
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 4, 2013 15:42:37 GMT -5
Go post that closed to open theory on the Facebook site! I suspect you would get banned again for ignorance. Just like the low rate of Flexion with the trail wrist.
Hilarious!
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Post by teeace on Aug 4, 2013 15:46:39 GMT -5
Go post that closed to open theory on the Facebook site! I suspect you would get banned again for ignorance. Just like the low rate of Flexion with the trail wrist. Hilarious! CWD, you are wrong with this. Closed to open is reality for many players and those who have learned that will never move back. If you haven't, just be quiet and listen to those who have.... even when it feels strange for you
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 4, 2013 15:49:52 GMT -5
Just get over the fact that you were rejected by Brian and couldn't show his scientists how smart you are and dumb they were. Like a baby crying! You were rejected and now you seek these same guys out. Pathetic.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 4, 2013 15:52:03 GMT -5
Go post that closed to open theory on the Facebook site! I suspect you would get banned again for ignorance. Just like the low rate of Flexion with the trail wrist. Hilarious! CWD, you are wrong with this. Closed to open is reality for many players and those who have learned that will never move back. If you haven't, just be quiet and listen to those who have.... even when it feels strange for you Total bullshit. There's a reason you're not allowed on the Facebook site with your goofy ideas. I know you want to team up with Jeffy. Wrong horse, but your call. More deceiving categories with no relation to reality. You guys should be politicians.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Aug 4, 2013 15:54:11 GMT -5
Go post that closed to open theory on the Facebook site! I suspect you would get banned again for ignorance. Just like the low rate of Flexion with the trail wrist. Hilarious! CWD, you are wrong with this. Closed to open is reality for many players and those who have learned that will never move back. If you haven't, just be quiet and listen to those who have.... even when it feels strange for you Total bullshit. There's a reason you're not allowed on the Facebook site with your goofy ideas. I know you want to team up with Jeffy. Wrong horse, but your call. More deceiving categories with no relation to reality. You guys should be politicians.
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Post by rj on Aug 4, 2013 16:10:46 GMT -5
No such thing as closing the face angle then opening the face angle all in a quarter of a second at a high rate of speed and with all the forces and torques , not to mention the shaft bending etc. You can try to maintain the face angle you made but that isn't the same as closing then opening...total joke!
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