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Post by cloran on Apr 29, 2010 6:10:16 GMT -5
The move I was working on in the garage didn't pan out at the range... they rarely do, lol.
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Post by cloran on Apr 29, 2010 22:50:22 GMT -5
I've been working on a CP pivot driven release, and one way I've managed to (almost) get there is to get a feeling of "holding" the wrist cock through impact... letting the pivot drive the club into the ball.
A little drill I've been working on:
1.Get to the 4:30 line with full wrist cock 2. PIVOT and HOLD ON!!
I wanted to capture it on video. It's 11:45pm so I had to open the garage door and put my high beams on to get some light for the slo-mo... yes, my neighbors think I'm a lunatic.
Here's the "move" in full speed:
It FEELS like I'm swinging the club 2 feet off the ground and completely holding on, but obviously I'm not... there's too much force pulling the club towards the ball.
Here's the same move in slow motion:
And here's what my full swing looks like after doing the hold off move a few times. I FEEL like my pivot is controlling everything and that I'm holding my wrist cock through impact... but I'm not.
This little move makes me feel the pivot to a much greater extent. The force still pulls the clubhead down into the ball and my lead arm is straight at impact, the angles have been released, and it LOOKS like I'm firing my hands to impact... in reality my pivot is pulling my arms hard to the left and I'm doing everything I can just to hold on.
AMIDOINITRITE? lol...
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Post by cloran on Apr 30, 2010 16:26:06 GMT -5
I used this same feeling this afternoon while working on my bunker shots... worked great. I'd just take it back along the shaft plane, cock the wrists, and hold on to that feeling right through to the finish.
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Post by cloran on May 11, 2010 10:15:53 GMT -5
I meant to film my swing again this morning, but did not get a chance. I will try tomorrow.
I was at the range yesterday working on my irons and had a very very nice session. There were two guys in the bays behind me and two in front that stopped what they were doing on seperate occasions to watch me. I swear, sometimes I look like a +HC on the range and I can't just yet make it stick on the course... I'm trying.
The major find yesterday was keeping my body centered. After reading more about the right-side swing from Jeff and others I was setting up in the reverse K and trying to maintain that relationship throughout the swing.
My focus was on one single dimple on the ball. I had the majority of my weight on my left side, hands at impact fix (maybe even slightly more forward/ inner left thigh). I didn't think about anything in the back swing accept to keep my focus on the spot and not move my core/head/spine to the right... just rotate around my spine. I let my shoulders turn and move my hands/club back on a plane that wasn't contrived, just wherever they needed to go. It was probably a little under the address shaft plane.
When performed correctly (I'd say 85% of the swings) my ball striking was much more powerful than with my previous set up. There was a tail wind, but I was routinely flying the 165 yard green with my 7i. Probably a 1 club wind, but I normally play my 6i to 160... so I'd say I picked up at least 1 club. Most likely do to the impact fix set up and delofting the face, but there was no lack of height to the shots at all. I was finding the center of the face on all the shots as well, so this may also explain the extra distance.
After 20 or so 7 irons in a row that all landed on or over the 165 yard green I stopped to rest. There was a nice 1/2" round spot dead center on the face. With my previous set-up (hands more centered/ concentration focused on plane, face angle, hands during take away) I was constantly hitting the ball towards the toe, about 1/2".
It was nice to not think about the takeaway, back swing, or postions at all. I noticed my follow through to have more of a Module 3 (CP, high hands) feel to it, but I may have been CF-ing it as well, difficult for me to tell without video. The module work contintues to seep in even as I make adjustments for quicker ball striking results... that's comforting.
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Post by cloran on May 11, 2010 12:23:23 GMT -5
Just stopped at a range in Brooklyn, NY instead of getting lunch... priorities.
They had a grass area which was nice to see, and eye opening. Part of the problem with taking my range swing to the course is my aparent inability to hurt a blade of grass. I have no issue compressing the ball on astroturf, but on grass I struggle for some reason... rather inexplicable. I really really really had to concentrate. On a fake grass range I can smack the heck out of the ball. Today on real grass I was average at best. I have to get my head around it asap. When I forced myself to compress the ball (I would just tell myself to hit through the ball and forget what happens) the results were good.
In the not to distant past I would hit tons of fat shots on the course and like a Pavlovian puppy I've trained myself to miss the ground.
I'll post the videos tonight. The results of the swings I taped were high shots with no curve either way. 7i, 150 yards into a head wind. However, both missed the target. One slightly pulled just off the left edge, the other grabbed by the wind and pushed a little right (a little gust from the Gods, Romeo).
If I'm going to stick with ABS I really need to work on getting on a flatter plane. I certainly don't feel like I'm virticle, but the camera doesn't lie... I still have a CF release, and I'm not using the ground enough through impact.
Looking at my swing today I'd give myslef a 4/10. I'm much better than I was just a few months ago in terms of results, but I'm so far from where I want to be it makes me queasy.
Last night I felt amazing after leaving the range, today not so much. That's golf for ya'...
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Post by cloran on May 11, 2010 18:23:41 GMT -5
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Post by gmbtempe on May 11, 2010 18:42:21 GMT -5
I can't tell you how much better this looks from just a month ago, look at the impact position on the face on. You definitely are setting up weight left, your head is slightly ahead of the ball at address (nothing wrong I dont believe). What I don't like is it looks like you are hyper extending the left arm to an extreme, like its rigidly straight. It might lead to the funny push away move on the down swing. I know its not for every one but I would be interested to see if keeping it slight loose or even bent a little would maybe help in freeing up the tension that appears in the swing. I am also a little jealous how you dont slide your hips like I do which gets the club in a perfect delivery position at P6. Seriously, you can play really good golf with the impact position of this swing. Congrats. Attachments:
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Post by cloran on May 11, 2010 20:06:26 GMT -5
Thanks Greg. The biggest difference to me is the set up. After you spoke about your "impact fix" position I started using it (or my intrepretation of it I suppose)... it's been working good.
I agree with you about my left arm. The funny thing is this: I broke my left arm during football practice in high school. It split in two places right on my elbow. Since then I actually can't "fully" extend it... at least not as straight as my right arm. I think that over the years I've tried so hard to make it straight (you know, "textbook") that I could probably stand to loosen it a little. I'm a fan of what you and Denny have been working on so I know what you're saying.
What's with my head moving backwards during impact... that can't be good.
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Post by slice_oftheday on May 11, 2010 22:58:19 GMT -5
I agree with Greg, this looks really good Cloran...
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Post by TeddyIrons on May 12, 2010 2:25:42 GMT -5
That's looking really good Cloran... wow!
The only thing I picked up that could improve is the straightening up of the body through the impact area, which of course if very common. You could work on that in your mod 1/mod 2 work to eliminate it.
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Post by jonnygrouville on May 12, 2010 5:18:33 GMT -5
Sorry Teddy, but why is that common? Do you mean the little standing up with the pelvis kind of moving out towards the ball?
Why does it happen?
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Post by cloran on May 12, 2010 6:13:37 GMT -5
Geoff (slicefixer) Jones calls it "goat humping," lol. I forget why it happens, too... I don't feel like I'm coming in with my pelvis and back with my head that's for sure; so I'm not exactly sure how to correct it... lots of practice I suppose.
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Post by TeddyIrons on May 12, 2010 6:46:40 GMT -5
Sorry Teddy, but why is that common? Do you mean the little standing up with the pelvis kind of moving out towards the ball? Why does it happen? Ýes, I mean the pelvis getting nearer the ball through the impact area. I'm no expert, but I think it's common because many golfers instinctively perceive it to be a way of generating power - the problem is that it reduces the golfer's rotational speed and so power is lost, not increased. Geoff (slicefixer) Jones calls it "goat humping," lol. I forget why it happens, too... I don't feel like I'm coming in with my pelvis and back with my head that's for sure; so I'm not exactly sure how to correct it... lots of practice I suppose. Yes, goat-humping is another term for it. I think if you execute module 2 with the thought of deweighting more to your heels, this will naturally make you maintain your spine angle. If you place a line on the screen on your butt (oo-er!), you'll see that you don't keep to that line.
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Post by gmbtempe on May 12, 2010 9:42:29 GMT -5
Yea its a common move, I think it happens a lot, not likely in this case but I think it happens as a last second spin to square the club face when the mind realizes its open at like P6.5. I guess it could also happen if the arms get to much separation from the body on the down swing after an OTT move?
The really good players can actually squat down a little and there butt is left of the yellow line I drew.
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Post by cloran on May 12, 2010 16:16:07 GMT -5
Hit the range on the way home from work. I was working on squatting more through the transition and it really made a difference. I took 5 or 6 slow motion videos... and just deleted them all on accident, oops.
I was able to hold the "tush line" much better when I worked in the squat. Compression was great... had a lot of fun. My ball flight way higher as well. No thin shots at all... that's been my contact miss as of late.
I think it will be something for me to concentrate on for the forseeable future. It is basically the second module for ABS... I'm pretty sure I'll be working on it for the rest of my life actually, lol.
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