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Post by cloran on May 12, 2010 17:31:20 GMT -5
This is the only video I was able to save. It's not the best example of the "squat into transition" that I was working on, but it WAS a flush 3 iron... ;D
... and for me it's nice to see the full swing in full speed as well as in slow motion. I get a better idea of the speed and rhythm.
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Post by cloran on Jun 2, 2010 7:45:48 GMT -5
After my last round and a weeks worth of horrid range sessions I'm absolutely wasted. I can't wrap my head around where things went wrong. I'm hopefully going to be moving onto module 4 in a week or so, and optimistically thinking the new module will bring renewed hope.
I still don't understand how a person can make a back swing, drop to the fabled 4:30 line, suddenly activate their hands into impact... but NOT have a CF release. With the speed of the golf swing we're talking thousanths-of-a-second in which time you have to turn on and off your hands. I'm beginning to think that I'm not physically gifted enough to do so.
I've never understood how you actively fire the hands like that.
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Post by pavaveda on Jun 2, 2010 8:49:36 GMT -5
Cloran, Are you sure it's a conscious firing of the hands? I was thinking that it was supposed to be as well, but am now starting to think that the reason we're training our hands & wrists/forearms so diligently is mostly to strengthen them so that when it is time for them to fire, they will do so all on their own because they have the strength and muscle memory to know how. The more and more I think about it, ABS really is ADVANCED ball striking. Like I said in another post, I probably need BEGINNING ball striking more than ABS, but I know that as my BBS improves, (and I would put Richie's control of Face, Path, Low-Point [FPLP] under BBS) the more I'll be able to take advantage of the ABS training. Hang in there. There's absolutely NO WAY you had as bad of a round as I did this last weekend, if it makes you feel any better.
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Post by TeddyIrons on Jun 2, 2010 10:05:17 GMT -5
After my last round and a weeks worth of horrid range sessions I'm absolutely wasted. I can't wrap my head around where things went wrong. I'm hopefully going to be moving onto module 4 in a week or so, and optimistically thinking the new module will bring renewed hope. I still don't understand how a person can make a back swing, drop to the fabled 4:30 line, suddenly activate their hands into impact... but NOT have a CF release. With the speed of the golf swing we're talking thousanths-of-a-second in which time you have to turn on and off your hands. I'm beginning to think that I'm not physically gifted enough to do so. I've never understood how you actively fire the hands like that. Cloran, I know where you're coming from. The thing is I don't think it's possible to make a backswing, then conciously drop to the 4:30 line, then activate the hands, then pivot hard avoiding a CF release. Everytime I've tried to attempt an ABS swing in advance of my swing DNA actually being there, it's been a disaster. A good player like Richie can perhaps incorporate module 2 footwork into his swing over a brief period, but I think most of us would be better at doing the module work and letting it seep in. Lag often says that we will probably change our swing DNA by 2% per month, and over time this will accumulate into significant changes. I think modules 5, 6 and 7 are perhaps more important to us high handicappers, because they are what allow us to progress to the 4:30 line - many better players are probably already near 4:30 and so will gain immediate benefits from Modules 1, 2 and 3. I've been patient and I'm beginning to see some benefits. I'm no natural talent at golf and have often doubted my ability to be a half decent ball striker even with the best tuition, but I'm beginning to see some progress. I noted your post the other day about playing the 1st hole without a warm-up, and how you'll never repeat that. I would often think along the same lines, but recently I've changed attitude - now I just go out and play and if I don't have a warm-up, I reduce my expectations, and hence my 1st tee nerves, and results are often surprisingly good - sometimes I actually play better that way, or if not, by the 2nd or 3rd hole I get into a groove. The worst thing for me is to be out there on the golf course and taking 3 or 4 practice swings and not being happy until I find one that feels ABS-like. It's a disaster when I go to hit the ball. On the other hand when I just go out, visualise the shot, take one practice swing to try and find the rythmn, with perhaps one swing though maximum (e.g. big shoulder turn), and I inevitably play better. Even though I'm not thinking about all my module work, if I look at my swing on video it's surprisingly more ABS-like. Another tip is to video your swing and have a look at what needs improving, and work that into the module work. For example, I dip the left shoulder towards the ball in transition and so in module 2 and module 6 I've been concentrating on the moves that prevent this happening. It seems to be working. Although ABS is described in many parts about the vertical drop or free ride down, the hands firing, the post impact pivot thrust, etc, etc, none of this can happen through concious thought (although I'm still a little undecided about the hands firing - I can hit it well this way but not always consistently). In reality any golf swing is a flow from takeaway to finish - there is no one point in the swing where something stops and another thing starts - which is what will happen if we conciously try to make lots of things happen in a swing that lasts just over a second! Anyway, sorry for the long winded post!
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 2, 2010 11:14:10 GMT -5
I never think of consciously firing the hands. I still do Module 2, usually about 100 reps with each hand and then both hands. Only takes me about 10 minutes to do. Basically if I can get into pitch elbow, the hands tend to fire themselves...in large part because of continuing to do M2, but it's a lot harder for me to throw the arms at the ball with pitch elbow.
I look at range time a lot differently now. I like it to basically stretch out some of the muscles, get my depth perception down and get the timing down, but I don't need a ton of time on the range beforehand to play really well. In a tournament I'd probably give myself 2 hours with 1 hour of range and 1 hour of practice green. But it's not mandatory anymore.
Now I'm at the point that the first thing I hit whenever I go on the range is the 2-iron. I figure that range time really isn't about striping it, it's about the things I mentioned before and the 2-iron certainly can get that going quickly. If I hit it poorly...so what...you shouldn't be striping a 2-iron when you just step onto the range. If I am hitting it well, that's a big confidence builder.
3JACK
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Post by bentshaft on Jun 2, 2010 11:48:33 GMT -5
After my last round and a weeks worth of horrid range sessions I'm absolutely wasted. I can't wrap my head around where things went wrong. I'm hopefully going to be moving onto module 4 in a week or so, and optimistically thinking the new module will bring renewed hope. I still don't understand how a person can make a back swing, drop to the fabled 4:30 line, suddenly activate their hands into impact... but NOT have a CF release. With the speed of the golf swing we're talking thousanths-of-a-second in which time you have to turn on and off your hands. I'm beginning to think that I'm not physically gifted enough to do so. I've never understood how you actively fire the hands like that. It's no consolation I'm sure, but I could have written this!! Hang in there...
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Post by cloran on Jun 2, 2010 12:32:21 GMT -5
After my last round and a weeks worth of horrid range sessions I'm absolutely wasted. I can't wrap my head around where things went wrong. I'm hopefully going to be moving onto module 4 in a week or so, and optimistically thinking the new module will bring renewed hope. I still don't understand how a person can make a back swing, drop to the fabled 4:30 line, suddenly activate their hands into impact... but NOT have a CF release. With the speed of the golf swing we're talking thousanths-of-a-second in which time you have to turn on and off your hands. I'm beginning to think that I'm not physically gifted enough to do so. I've never understood how you actively fire the hands like that. It's no consolation I'm sure, but I could have written this!! Hang in there... Actually it is, lol... thanks. I'm not alone! "The worst thing for me is to be out there on the golf course and taking 3 or 4 practice swings and not being happy until I find one that feels ABS-like." I find myself doing this a lot, especially on the range. If I hit a good shot (results wise) but didn't feel enough M2, or I didn't finish high with M3 I feel crappy. I'm constantly searching for an ABS swing when in reality there is no single ABS swing... confusing. I need to reevaluate my expectations. I had originally given myself 2 years to get to scratch (ultimately I'd be happy with a 5 HC to get into some local Am tourneys). I'm only 4 months into ABS and just finishing up with M3. I shouldn't be killing myself. But when I went out and shot an 82 for my first 18 holes in 2 years I thought everything was rainbows and lolipops... easy peasy! Not so fast... the golf Gods brought me back to reality really friggin fast. Now I'm stuck between wanting to play better NOW and letting things seep into my "swing DNA." I'm not satisfied shooting in the 90s anymore and honestly if I keep doing so I don't know if I'll hold out on getting some local Pro advice. Mike Jacobs isn't too far away (Manzella is actually going to be at his club next monday and again in Aug with Trackman... wish I had known sooner), and he's my first choice. Thanks for the help guys. It's appreciated...
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Post by cloran on Jun 3, 2010 8:29:30 GMT -5
Back to the range this morning before work. Mixed bag, but MUCH better than it has been. I focused on my plane for the first 1/2 of the session and for the second 1/2 I tried to completely forget about the back swing.
I just focused on staying centered and making a decent finish. I have had some fantastic results in the past when trying to wipe the back swing out of my brain and it certainly helped today as well.
Towards the end of the session I was hitting HIGH draws. 8i to the 160 yard flag with no wind and vintage lofts... so say a modern 9i... not too shabby. I'm going to be bending these clubs flatter asap. They are at 4* now, and becasue I have yet to get around to shortening the length they are still at standard (38" 5i). When I get the money together to pick up my loft/lie machine I'll play around with them a little more, but "the lefts" were creaping in too much today for my liking. I'll probably shorten them by 1/2" and drop the lie another 1*...
I may even strengthen the lofts 2* or so... I need to do more research on how to do that and what effects it will have on offset... but I'd like to bring the ball flight down a tad and why not pick up some distance in the process, right?
I've been having a hard time building my '71 buttonbacks. I picked up a set of new TTDG x200 spined shafts and removed old shafts from the '71s... but something isn't right and I just need more time to fiddle with them...
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Post by cloran on Jun 11, 2010 18:20:34 GMT -5
I haven't taken any video of my driver swing yet... so here it is.. It performs better than it looks. Actually, I think I hit some pretty good positions from the front view. This particular shot was a 10 yard draw. It hit the back fence (250 yards as measured on Google Earth) 15-20 feet up from the ground. The club is 43", Wishon 919thi 11*, square face, TT DG X300 spine aligned shaft.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 11, 2010 20:47:05 GMT -5
How do you like the clubhead on that Wishon driver?
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Jun 12, 2010 11:55:04 GMT -5
The best driver I've ever owned. Now, that being said... you can't work it either way very easily... which I wanted/needed.
The sound at impact is powerful. Not as muted as Titleist, not as loud as Cobra. Somewhere in between. It's a low spin head with high MOI, but looks very conventional at address. It's nondescript.
I had my best driving day ever today. With this head I feel like I can swing without worrying about the ball going very far left or right.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jun 12, 2010 12:03:17 GMT -5
Cloran
This is the first time that I have seen a video of your swing.
You do not look like my mental image of an ABS golfer using a CP release (eg. JE's swing). You look like a traditional golfer using a CF release. You are fully releasing your PA-angles through impact.
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 12, 2010 13:17:58 GMT -5
Cloran This is the first time that I have seen a video of your swing. You do not look like my mental image of an ABS golfer using a CP release (eg. JE's swing). You look like a traditional golfer using a CF release. You are fully releasing your PA-angles through impact. Jeff. I don't know if you can CP release a driver, and if you can I think it takes a highly skilled driver. It looks like a full release with horizontal hinge. Baseline looks pretty square.
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Post by cloran on Jun 12, 2010 15:51:28 GMT -5
LOL, I'm far from an ABS golfer Jeff...
I just finished with Module 3.... 7 to go. I'm trying my man, I'm trying...
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 12, 2010 15:57:03 GMT -5
LOL, I'm far from an ABS golfer Jeff... I just finished with Module 3.... 7 to go. I'm trying my man, I'm trying... bottom line is the motion is much better than whenever you started.
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