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Post by cloran on Jun 12, 2010 16:57:47 GMT -5
Thanks Greg,
I think Module 4 will give me on more of an ABS look. The first three modules work on segments of the swing and this is the first time I'm putting things together. It's working great with my short irons so far, but honestly, I will probably always have a CF release with the driver.
My driver has been fantastic using the same swing as in the video... fantastic for me, lol. I was 4/5 FIR on the front 9 today (the one miss was literally 6" into the ruff... dead straight drive through a dogleg) and only 1/3 FIR on the back... but 2/3 were monsters and resulted in a birdie and a putt for eagle.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jun 12, 2010 18:10:11 GMT -5
Cloran
Do you actually have the flexibility and pivot speed needed to perform an ABS-style swing?
Greg,
It would seem that JE and Ben Hogan can perform a CP release when using a driver.
Jeff.
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Post by cloran on Jun 12, 2010 18:32:20 GMT -5
I don't think ABS requires any more/less flexibility than any other swing. ABS is not a copy of Hogan's swing if that's what you mean.
If I can get to pitch elbow and use my pivot to deliver the club head isn't that enough?
Lag has some things he likes to see in the swing, but a lot is open to personal style/preference/skill level/ flexibility/ etc.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 12, 2010 18:46:17 GMT -5
Cloran Do you actually have the flexibility and pivot speed needed to perform an ABS-style swing? Greg, It would seem that JE and Ben Hogan can perform a CP release when using a driver. Jeff. yup, proven world class golfers and my guess with ben hogan a superior athlete. I have no idea on JE but Hogan did not get the driver very high, and I dont think he really hit it out there when he really started teh CP release swing.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 12, 2010 18:56:49 GMT -5
MOG can do CP with the driver as well.
I'm trying to do it and occasionally I can do it with an iron. I find myself unable to do it yet with the driver, although I have done with my persimmon driver a couple of times.
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Jun 23, 2010 16:53:39 GMT -5
Started module 4 a few days ago. It pieces together the first three... and it ain't as easy as it sounds, lol.
I can perform the first 3 modules successfully, but independently. Putting it all together is another story. I took a video of my first few attempts at M4 and I was swinging WAY right with a CF release...
This morning at the range I focused on swinging left as best I could. It worked ok with the shorter clubs... not so good with the longer ones; but it's a process. I get it.
58* Wedge swinging left:
#7 iron swinging left: (trying to anyway)
The good news is that when I had things grooved I was hitting some great shots with no fear of the big miss. I could hit anything from LW to 5i really nice... but to get a decent swing out of the 4i-2i I had to put my "old" swing on it.
Towards the end of the afternoon range session I was getting tired and out of sequence... so I bagged it and came home. These videos are from this morning.
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Post by TeddyIrons on Jun 24, 2010 0:47:45 GMT -5
Cloran, interesting stuff.
A big difference between your wedge swing and 7 iron swing is how you thrust your hips towards the ball through impact on the 7 iron, whereas with the wedge you keep your posture. I would imagine swinging left is easier the more you keep posture. Just a thought.
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Post by cloran on Jun 24, 2010 6:15:56 GMT -5
Good point Teddy,
I see the same thing. I spent some time last night working on just that. ONE of my faults is standing up through impact... and it's a beeoooocccchhhh to get rid of.
I also thought of this in regards to swinging left: It feels so foreign because my hands are traveling farther left post impact than they traveled right in the back swing. In my minds eye the golf swing should be an arc with the hands moving in equidistant semicircles throughout the swing. But in reality my hands rarely get past my right shoulder at the top of my back swing and finish well left of my left shoulder at the finish. This makes my feel like I'm swinging too far to the left and swiping across the ball. But my divots in the back yard last night were either straight or had a little J shape to them (straight then left-ish).
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 24, 2010 6:59:15 GMT -5
I also try to keep my left shoulder as low as I can get it from P3 to P4 (in ABS terms). I asked Lag about this and he said it's actually something he discusses in a future Module and he said I really made a smart observation with it. On Tuesday I tried this and was finally swinging left on video. We'll see if I can stick with it as old habits are hard to break. But on Wednesday I hit the irons really well and flushed a 6-iron from a tough lie that went noticeably further than my normal 6-iron and went dead straight at the flag.
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Jun 24, 2010 7:52:11 GMT -5
How do you keep it lower and maintain your flat plane?
I really struggled this morning at the range and I was getting really flusterred with trying to swing left.
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Post by TeddyIrons on Jun 24, 2010 9:19:13 GMT -5
Good point Teddy, I see the same thing. I spent some time last night working on just that. ONE of my faults is standing up through impact... and it's a beeoooocccchhhh to get rid of. I also thought of this in regards to swinging left: It feels so foreign because my hands are traveling farther left post impact than they traveled right in the back swing. In my minds eye the golf swing should be an arc with the hands moving in equidistant semicircles throughout the swing. But in reality my hands rarely get past my right shoulder at the top of my back swing and finish well left of my left shoulder at the finish. This makes my feel like I'm swinging too far to the left and swiping across the ball. But my divots in the back yard last night were either straight or had a little J shape to them (straight then left-ish). I don't think there's anything wrong with the length or position of your backswing. In module 6 of ABS we work on a big shoulder turn with minimal hand travel and to me you don't seem far from achieving that with your 7 iron swing. If you swing flatter it's normal that your hands won't get very high. To me it doesn't look like your hands travel further left in the follow through than they do in the backswing. I think the standing up is probably a pychological thing - just trying to hit it harder because you have a 7 iron in your hand rather than a wedge.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 24, 2010 11:50:04 GMT -5
To do Module 3 without coming OTT, you need to be aware of getting into pitch elbow. If you avoid that and get into punch elbow, you'll start rotating the torso too soon and hit a big old wipe. At least that's what I've gathered from my experiences.
We'll see how my swing goes today and tomorrow as I recorded it. I think I've found a good way to do it and Lag says that it's a breakthrough, but the mechanics have to be there. I just don't want to give away something and finding out it's really not working yet.
3JACK
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Post by slice_oftheday on Jun 24, 2010 12:28:11 GMT -5
So if you make sure to use pitch elbow, you can use a "down" or "low" left shoulder from ABS p3 to p4 to aid in swinging left with less of a chance to come OTT?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 24, 2010 17:03:46 GMT -5
So if you make sure to use pitch elbow, you can use a "down" or "low" left shoulder from ABS p3 to p4 to aid in swinging left with less of a chance to come OTT? Pretty much. The pitch elbow is important. Without it, you're likely to come OTT. Once you get into pitch elbow, the upper right arm should touch the right side of your torso, if just a very little amount. You want to keep that in tact along with the #4 PP and rotate te torso about as far left as you can and bring the hands along with you. 3JACK
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Post by cloran on Jun 24, 2010 21:16:37 GMT -5
I picked up my loft/lie machine this morning. It took me all of 15 minutes to bend the '58 Hogans... and I'll take some more time at a later date dialing in the lofts.
Having the lies flatter seemed to help with swinging left, if only in my back yard. I was focusing on getting into pitch elbow and letting my pivot carry my arms along through impact, as far left as I can go, then up to PV5.
We'll see how it performs tomorrow morning at the range, but it seemed to make an instant impact tonight.
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