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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 24, 2010 12:38:47 GMT -5
Dan, Here is another question. Consider this photo sequence of John Erickson's. The first sequence shows a CP release and AH, while the second sequence shows a CF release and HH. There is a remarkable similarity between his photos and these photos of yours. One could reasoanbly assert that you are using a CF release and HH in image 2. Do you ever consciously/deliberately use a CF release combined with a HH action in your swing? Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 24, 2010 14:12:18 GMT -5
All I care about is rate of closure through impact That is a great post....looking back at my old swing the rate that I would close the face with severe axis tilt and running out of right arm just put so much spin on the ball, hook spin. I would imagine that is the reason its really hard for me to get the ball to curve more than a few yards with the medium and short irons, at least it makes some sense to me given how up and down my swing is compared to around with not a lot of sway either way. Maybe not, but it makes sense to me. I would imagine a guy like Mickelson has a high rate of closer looking at his swing and he curves the ball more than most (not always a good thing).
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 24, 2010 14:21:20 GMT -5
Dan, Here is another question. Consider this photo sequence of John Erickson's. The first sequence shows a CP release and AH, while the second sequence shows a CF release and HH. There is a remarkable similarity between his photos and these photos of yours. One could reasoanbly assert that you are using a CF release and HH in image 2. Do you ever consciously/deliberately use a CF release combined with a HH action in your swing? Jeff. Jeff, I am very novice at this but with a driver I am definitely not pulling my arms in as much like the photo above. With the driver I almost get to HH action but the iron is complete AH through the motion, the arms separate and I would imagine with the length of club it gets harder to have the CP motion and angled hinge. I got some crazy copyright stuff when I tried to upload a photo but here is one from my Photobucket
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Post by iteachgolf on Apr 24, 2010 15:32:40 GMT -5
My pattern is inline with short irons and more CF as the clubs get longer. My baseline is shifted about 2ยบ right with a driver. Longer clubs are more CF because it is easier to hit it higher while curving it both ways. Again rate of closure is all I care about and controlling the start line. I can CP longer clubs but they go shorter and lower which isn't practical.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Apr 24, 2010 16:55:24 GMT -5
Dan,
Thanks for answering. Your answer makes sense to me.
To Greg and Dan,
When hitting your short irons using a CP release, does the club release via a CF action (passive release of PA#2) or is the right upper limb actively hitting (drive-loading) in such a manner that it overrides any CF-release action - as apparently occurs in John Erickson's ABS swing?
Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 24, 2010 17:17:55 GMT -5
Dan, Thanks for answering. Your answer makes sense to me. To Greg and Dan, When hitting your short irons using a CP release, does the club release via a CF action (passive release of PA#2) or is the right upper limb actively hitting (drive-loading) in such a manner that it overrides any CF-release action - as apparently occurs in John Erickson's ABS swing? Jeff. In mine its actively driving...but my action is much different than most. Its very hard to describe my motion but I am definitely driving it to a line left of the target and with that active driving there is no way to roll to a HH, its kind of forced to be an angle hinge. When I hit a driver I swing more in line with the target though I am sure it would Trackman a couple degrees right.
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Post by iteachgolf on Apr 24, 2010 17:32:55 GMT -5
For me when I'm more inline the left shoulder stays down longer and shoulders are more open at impact. The only time I go CP is when cutting the ball, all my other swings are inline or CF and play a draw on every shot unless I need to hit something else.
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 24, 2010 17:37:44 GMT -5
For me when I'm more inline the left shoulder stays down longer and shoulders are more open at impact. The only time I go CP is when cutting the ball, all my other swings are inline or CF and play a draw on every shot unless I need to hit something else. yea, see my motive is to do the opposite, I want to fade everthing and draw it when required. My process for a draw is I get more weight left, move ball back a little and then I swing it towards the target. I mess with the grip depending how much I want it to move left.
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Post by iteachgolf on May 11, 2010 18:43:36 GMT -5
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Post by gmbtempe on May 11, 2010 18:47:43 GMT -5
Dan, have you had US open qualifying yet?
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Post by iteachgolf on May 11, 2010 18:50:19 GMT -5
Dan, have you had US open qualifying yet? yep, didn't do very good at all. Had it going on first 7 holes (birdied 2 of first 3) and hit some bad shots, lost my temper and kinda mentally fell apart. Oh well, there is a reason I do what I do and don't play anymore. I shot 66 on the same course with 7 birdies 3 days before the event with Brian Smock.
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Post by gmbtempe on May 11, 2010 18:56:55 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that, its just a tough game in a lot of ways.
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Post by jonnygrouville on May 13, 2010 5:17:14 GMT -5
It's a tough game in pretty much every way I can think of! And I wouldn't want it any other way.
Hard luck Dan. Even having the chance to compete is something that not a lot of people will ever achieve. From the looks of your before and after videos, you are achieving things with your students that a lot of the competitors that day will never manage eh?
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