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Post by cloran on Jul 26, 2010 12:52:38 GMT -5
Oh yeah... the machines are sold w/out the stands most of the time. On ebay there's some right now... they start to get expensive (and heavy) with the stands.
If I hadn't found the one I did I would have just bought a loft/lie machine and bolted it to my workbench. They all have holes drilled in the base plate so you can mount them securely. You're gonna be pulling on it pretty hard at times and you need it bolted to something (stand, bench, table, whatever).
...and if you do mount it to your kitchen table you have to take pics for me. That would be epic! lol...
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jul 26, 2010 17:22:02 GMT -5
Can I mount this onto the table without having to put holes into the table?
3JACK
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Post by bentshaft on Jul 26, 2010 20:06:12 GMT -5
seriously---If you are gonna bend, you need a VERY solid foundation... bent
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Post by cloran on Jul 26, 2010 20:57:30 GMT -5
Can I mount this onto the table without having to put holes into the table? 3JACK No. It takes some decent sized nuts n bolts to hold it down. You're gonna be yanking on it pretty hard... I bent a full set of cast irons for my brother-in-law last week and a few times the stand almost tipped over, lol. I really had to lay into it. I'm sure your old lady will understand! DRILL BABY DRILL!!!!!
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jul 26, 2010 22:07:11 GMT -5
Can't do it then. I'll have to get a stand and that may be a bit pricey.
I was hitting my Bounce Sole 1+ irons today and I think I'm 1-2* off. I'll try to do the line test on Wednesday as I need to get some impact tape and get the golf balls ready.
3JACK
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Post by ioz on Jul 27, 2010 9:25:05 GMT -5
Can't do it then. I'll have to get a stand and that may be a bit pricey. 3JACK What I plan on doing is to go and buy a machine without a stand and bolt it to a nice thick (e.g. 2'x4') piece of wood. this way you can use your weight by standing on the wood while bending and it's cheaper. Also , you guys were talking about an alternative way of measuring loft?! How does that work?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jul 27, 2010 10:21:58 GMT -5
I'm thinking of getting my Apex PC's bent again, probably to 4 or 5* flat, depending on what the marker line test shows me. I think it may just be worth it to buy a lie/loft machine with a stand because of the amount of clubs I have, possible future swing changes, possible changes in shaft length, and since I plan on playing in serious tourneys in 2011, I'll want my equipment to be in top notch shape.
In Atlanta it was great, although still a bit costly. I had a clubmaker about 5 minutes away from me that was rarely that busy and charged $3 a club. Now, it's a 20 minute drive during my work lunch hour. Not fun.
3JACK
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Post by Richie3Jack on Aug 23, 2010 13:02:27 GMT -5
I have yet to install the X-Stiff KBS shaft in my PC5 5-iron head that I have. I’ll probably do that soon enough since it will cost about $20 to do so.
I plan on getting:
- Swingweight Scale - Lie Loft Machine
I’m thinking of changing my swingweights to D-4 in the 3-8 irons and then D-8 with the 9, PW-LW, mainly because I have been hitting my Powerbilts which are D-4 and they feel quite good.
I want the Lie Loft Machine so I can experiment with my lie angles a bit and keep them in tact.
Iteach has turned me onto the Tour Concept Shafts. I’ve never hit them, but it certainly has piqued my interest. Affording them is a different story.
As far as actual equipment goes, I’ll probably put it on hold until February or so because the PGA Merchandising show is in January (in Orlando), so it’ll be interesting to see the new equipment.
3JACK
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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 28, 2010 15:28:23 GMT -5
I added an Adams Speedline, 9.5* with the Grafalloy Unix Stiff Shaft. This is the red shaft that has the higher kickpoint. I typically use a low kickpoint, but I want to get into a higher kickpoint so I can 'prepare' myself to eventually find a lower spinning driver. I got this driver brand new for $70. I eventually plan on getting fitted for a driver thru Trackman, but this one will hold me over for now. I still plan on getting a swingweight scale. I've been recently thinking that once I get my swing where I feel comfortable with it, to consider getting some new blades as well. I would probably get either the Mizuno MP-68's or the Scratch SB-1's. Mainly because I am a bit concerned about the distances with the old Hogan blades and since they have no or little bounce, I think that can be problematic. I think you can still hit those old Hogans after adjusting the lie and loft, but I think that the lack of bounce or even negative bounce is not optimal, so I'd rather go with a blade that has a stronger loft to begin with and a bit more bounce. But, I'm just spouting off at the top of my head for now. 3JACK
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Post by Richie3Jack on Oct 6, 2010 12:36:01 GMT -5
I just purchased a Bushnell 1500 Rangefinder with Slope I got it for $200. The 1600 version with slope is something like $499 brand new. Obviously, it's illegal for tournament play and if you're keeping handicap scores (thanks to Cloran for pointing that out). But, hopefully my swing is ready next year to play in tournaments and I can 'scout' courses out. It probably won't be as useful down in FLA because of the flat terrain, but a place like GA where it gets very hilly I think is a must. Still, the other day I played La Cita and we had a regular laser with no slope and it measured 135 and was a bit uphil and I flew the entire green with a 9-iron. It's being shipped from Cali., so it'll probably be here Monday or Tuesday of next week. 3JACK
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Post by Richie3Jack on Oct 19, 2010 12:38:05 GMT -5
I'm getting my irons bent a little more upright as we speak. I've wanted to find a lie loft machine with stand, but the price is a bit much. I could get a decent GolfSmith one for brand new at $500 + shipping. I'd like to get the whole thing used for $400, but just haven't found a place.
I'll probably wind up getting one next year. I figure my swing should get 'close' to where I want it. I now know what I feel 'close' is, mainly what my swing looks like at P6. I think I can get most of that by March 2011, but my neck tilts could be the one thing holding me back.
Anyway, here's the lie angles I'm going to try:
3-iron- 58* 4-iron - 58* 5 -iron - 59* 6-iron - 60* 7-iron - 60.5* 8-iron - 61* 9-iron - 61.5* Equalizer - 62*
That's about 2* flat. Nicklaus played 2* flat. I'm taller than Nicklaus, so we'll see how that works out.
3JACK
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Post by Richie3Jack on Oct 25, 2010 9:39:10 GMT -5
The irons are much better now at 2* flat. The shoulders don't turn as steep now (which is good for me since I'm one of the few golfers that turn the shoulders too steep). I also used the Bushnell 1500 with slope for the first time.
Very impressed. It's a bit hard to steady it, but it does come with tripod option if I were to scout the course.
What typically worked for me was being in the cart with my arms resting up against the steering wheel to steady it. Plus, you do need to know your yardage to some degree so you won't get a really bad reading. I also aimed at larger objects when I could, like the cart in front of me, a sandtrap, etc.
I also thought this sped up play for me a bit because the courses I play pretty much just have 100, 150, 200 and 250 markers and that's it. Plus, they are not very visible so it's a real pain to go to your ball, look for a marker and then figure out what your yardage is.
And like I suspected, some of those yardage markers are downright awful. #7 at Eastwood always plays longer than the markers say and when I shot the yardage it said that the 150 marker was about 12 yards off. Same with #9 at Eastwood and a few other holes there. Stoneybrook's yardages were a little better.
3JACK
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Post by bentshaft on Oct 26, 2010 8:29:31 GMT -5
Did you have them bent back a bit because your swing isnt as flat now that ABS is more or less out of the picture? bent
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Post by Richie3Jack on Oct 26, 2010 9:42:23 GMT -5
Yes and no.
I had them bent 6* flat because I was trying to flatten out the downswing and figured that if you bend them flat enough, that forces the issue. Which it did.
But I was thinking for my height I needed them about 3* flat, max. These are 2* flat, but they are shorter in shaft length, so they are effectively about 3* flat. I still have a lot of work to do on the downswing, but the ballstriking has gotten better since I've got them to 2* flat.
What I'm thinking is that in the end when I get my swing where I want it, I'll have to get some modern blades. These Hogans are nice, but have no bounce on them and when you fool with lies, that can make them have a negative bounce angle. You can certainly hit them pretty well, but you'll get shots where you make solid contact, but the clubhead sticks into the ground a bit. That could possibly cause injury, but more or less I think causes you to hit shots that are not as good even if you took a good swipe at it.
I really love the feel of the 1020 steel in the Hogan's. Although I think Mizuno is onto something with their grain flow forging process as their irons always feel really nice. I plan on trying the Scratch SB-1's at the PGA Merchandise show in January.
3JACK
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Post by Richie3Jack on Oct 28, 2010 12:45:15 GMT -5
Finally got myself a swingweight scale (pic of it disassembled), for only $25. I'm still searching for a lie loft machine. There was a real nice one for $380 with the stand, bar, etc. But it was for local pickup only and that was located in Cali. No rush though because it will probably be at the very least, another 3 months before my swing gets anywhere near where I want it to be. 3JACK
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