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Post by meesh on Jun 9, 2010 19:34:31 GMT -5
Here are videos of my swing with a driver Face on www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIBaxMB4HQcDTL www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y87zj1tM1RgMy swing has been bad lately. Am hitting a pull fade or a High weak fade. I have Had this problem for about a month now. Before this problem I hit my drives really straight. The weird thing is that with my iron am hitting them pretty good, my long irons fade a little but there not that bad. Watching my videos i notice that my takeaway is to the outside so am not sure if this is the problem. I also notice that I lift up in my backswing. I go way past parallel but i have always done this. Also I have always been a short hitter, I only hit it about 240 of the tee. I know that distance isn't anything but a extra 10 to 20 yard would help me when I play a long course. I don't really have a full understating of The D plane but i hope this forum while help me understand it more. I know that the ball starts were the club face is point so my face must be closed when i hit a pull fade. Any input on what my problems are and how I can work on them would be appreciated Thanks
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 10, 2010 11:39:16 GMT -5
Welcome aboard Meesh.
Yes, you do have it correct for the most part. If the ball is going left, the clubface is pretty much pointing out in that direction as well. I took a look at your swing last night. To hit a pull-fade, the face goes left of the target and the path is going left of the target, but the path is going further left than the face to some degree.
I actually think you will learn to hit the ball pretty far becasue you have amazing flexibility. You just need to get your mechanics down. I'll take a further look tonite as I don't have access to the video right now and I'm only going off of my memory what your swing was like.
3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 10, 2010 13:40:04 GMT -5
I think its a pretty good swing but I think your pivot has a lot of movement to it. Even by Jimmy Ballard standards (larger move off the ball than most) you move off the ball about 8-12". That takes one heck of a move to get back left enough. You do it by a massive move with your shoulders rather than just rotation. I think it requires an alot of timing in order not have club head lag throwaway and not to come OTT. There is a lot of athleticism in that swing. I think pivot is the first thing to work on. I captured a photo, the circle is your head at start, the redlines were drawn from the inside of your feet. The camera angle is off, critical to get it exactly perpendicular to your stance line and from the ball. The move would look even bigger if it was positioned that way rather than slightly from behind. Attachments:
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 10, 2010 21:32:25 GMT -5
I agree Greg, the pivot needs a lot of work. Lots of flexibility and athleticism, but the arms and the body do not work as well as they could in conjunction with each other. I think some of the S&T principles would help. Particularly turning the left shoulder downward on that backswing with an inside hand path and a more centered pivot. Also, keeping the #4 PP in tact would help as well.
3JACK
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Post by meesh on Jun 11, 2010 6:33:31 GMT -5
Thanks for the help! Just wondering how turning the lefts shoulder down in my backswing would help me
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 11, 2010 8:32:55 GMT -5
Your shoulder turn in the backswing is quite flat. This often causes golfers to get a very upright downswing plane and get their path going well left of the target. That's one of your problems that you face with your swing. A more upright shoulder turn (left shoulder turned, but turned downward) in the downswing helps get the downswing plane a little flatter and gets that path more square to the target.
Most instructors would try to fix your path first, but I think you need to fix your pivot first and that will help the path quite a bit and then any leftover problems with your path can be tweaked.
But if you try to fix the path first, you wind up like Ray Romano and never really get to the base of the problem.
3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 11, 2010 13:44:54 GMT -5
I agree with Richie, when you fix your pivot its going to change a lot of other componets of tehe swing, no reason to change two things at once without seening what the pivot changes.
Mental keys for not swaying
1. Once you setup you really don't go farther to the right. Some guys might have a minor move but its so minimal.
2. Weight shift is product of knee and waste bend.
This is kinda cool to mess around with. Stand up straight with your legs close together but not pinned. Move your left knee forward straight away from you, your right hip will automatically go back, now when you throw in the arms swing up in like a backswing, there is your weight shift. There is no conscious move to get 80-90 percent of the wieght to your right foot. This is my opinion on how little the weight is moved around.
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Post by meesh on Jun 11, 2010 21:04:26 GMT -5
Worked on the steeper shoulder turn today. It felt really different, I hit some good and alot a bad shots to. I might pickup the stack and tilt book soon to makesure am doing the steep shoulder turn right. The good thing was that I hit alit less pulls today and also hit a few hooks. My main shot was a high fade that started straight then slice.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 11, 2010 21:54:54 GMT -5
Worked on the steeper shoulder turn today. It felt really different, I hit some good and alot a bad shots to. I might pickup the stack and tilt book soon to makesure am doing the steep shoulder turn right. The good thing was that I hit alit less pulls today and also hit a few hooks. My main shot was a high fade that started straight then slice. yea, the SnT book is pretty good, it has a lot of conventional stuff in there, centered pivot, hands in.
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Post by meesh on Jun 13, 2010 20:17:32 GMT -5
Here a update of my swing. Am still hitting it way right. My pivot seems more centered. I got the stack and tilt book off amazon it should be in Wednesday. www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpnjuCdmdAgSorry for the bad quality every time i tried to make the video it was a avi and it was 103 mb. So i had to make a flv and it was 2.3mb.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 13, 2010 22:35:33 GMT -5
that is a million times better pivot.....hips should still rotate.
Need a DTL but this maybe as simple as correcting the face.
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Post by meesh on Jun 14, 2010 6:19:38 GMT -5
The only problem is when I swing it feels like there alot of weight on my left side. I get to steep with my woods and long irons. Should I just set more weight back at adress
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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 14, 2010 13:48:00 GMT -5
The only problem is when I swing it feels like there alot of weight on my left side. I get to steep with my woods and long irons. Should I just set more weight back at adress no more than 60 percent IMO, it feels weird cause its new. Thats why a new dtl with the same pivot might yield some interesting conclusions on plane and face angles. it looks way better, when you are making changes you cant be too results orientated, especialy with a monster change like you just made
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Post by meesh on Jun 14, 2010 17:55:49 GMT -5
There is a DTL swing in the last video I posted after the face on swing
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Post by Ringer on Jun 15, 2010 20:48:22 GMT -5
I am one of the few people on this board that really does not like the S&T method. I just wanted you to know that before you read what I have to say. I think your driver is too heave and maybe even too long. THIS could be a principle reason why the swing is so long in the backswing and why it pulls you out of your tilt. I don't like the restricted hip turn that it seems obvious you are either trying to create, or have been taught to create. You almost never see someone with that little activity of the lower body without someone teaching it to them. It makes your swing "shoulder dominant". Your setup is almost entirely in your heels as well. Here is a picture that should help illustrate just how far back on your heels you are: Notice how much more your hips have moved toward your toes. Your equilibrium takes over and FORCES you to straighten up or else you would likely loose your balance in the swing. Now that you've moved closer to the ball essentially, you must pull away from the ball at impact or else you'll either hit it fat or on the heel. So not only would I say you may need a different weighted driver, I would say you need to change your balance at setup and get used to FREEING IT UP.
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