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Post by gmbtempe on Jun 15, 2010 23:17:59 GMT -5
Ringer,
Why do you think he is losing it right? The club while making a slight OTT move its not that far off plane.
I agree more free motion with the hips.
Who mentioned stack and tilt in this thread? Is a centered head something that came from SnT or maybe went back to the days of Jack Nicklaus?
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Post by meesh on Jun 16, 2010 6:28:07 GMT -5
Ringer, when you said I need to fix my balance at adress do you mean having more weight on the balls of my feet and not my heels. Also should I force my hips to turn because am really not trying to ristrict my hips from turning
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 16, 2010 8:16:22 GMT -5
I'm not the biggest fan of S&T. Dana Dahlquist, iteachgolf and Nick Clearwater...all of whom I have a great deal of respect for, talk about it all of the time. I think it's a sound swing, but there are some issues I do not like about it.
I'm not a believer that one must turn the left shoulder down. But when I see a flat shoulder turn and an outside hand path and the golfer is struggling with the OTT move, then I would suggest working on that. I do agree, the setup needs some work. Not a fan of lighter clubs though..your downswing sequence can easily get out of whack with lighter clubs.
3JACK
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 16, 2010 8:17:30 GMT -5
Oh, keep the weight away from your toes on your feet. One of the biggest killers of golf swings that is rarely mentioned.
3JACK
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Post by meesh on Jun 16, 2010 15:48:27 GMT -5
I got the stack and tilt book today. I was reading the section on how to get a steeper shoulder and is says that you need to lean your spine to the left to get a steeper shoulder turn, is that right?
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Post by joeunc on Jun 16, 2010 18:12:15 GMT -5
only thing about that lean to the left is your head can get out in front of the ball and you have to hip thrust like crazy to get the head back on the downswing. just my opinion.
Look at iteachgolf's swing in his thread, he gets the shoulder down but not "extreme" S&T
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 16, 2010 19:31:33 GMT -5
No, I don't believe you need a leftward leaning spine to get the left shoulder to turn and turn downward. I would ask iteachgolf or Dana on those things since they know far more about S&T than I do.
3JACK
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Post by Ringer on Jun 16, 2010 20:41:53 GMT -5
Ringer, Why do you think he is losing it right? The club while making a slight OTT move its not that far off plane. I agree more free motion with the hips. Who mentioned stack and tilt in this thread? Is a centered head something that came from SnT or maybe went back to the days of Jack Nicklaus? Because he is pulling AWAY FROM THE BALL. When you pull away, your hands and the club go the other way. Take a club and hang it between your index and thumb. Now swing it back and forth like a pendulum. (Yes I know the swing isn't a pendulum, but this will illustrate a point about momentum) Now, just as the club starts to swing back toward the bottom, pull your hand in close to your body and watch the path the club takes. Voila, Outside-In. I only state that because a large portion of folks who offer up advice here are more likely to advocate something they have read and followed through the S&T model. I just wanted him to be clear about my stance before accepting my advice if he is trying to be an S&T learner. |
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Post by Ringer on Jun 16, 2010 20:50:04 GMT -5
Ringer, when you said I need to fix my balance at adress do you mean having more weight on the balls of my feet and not my heels. Also should I force my hips to turn because am really not trying to ristrict my hips from turning Weight should be on your ARCHES. You know those Roman aqueducts that were built to bring water to the cities? They were made with arches in their design to evenly distribute the load onto the two bases of the arch. Your foot has the same basic design. Two bases with an arch between them. Your body has an equilibrium that does everything it can to keep your weight over the arches. It does this subconsciously which means there is very little you can do about changing it. One way or the other, your weight is GOING to get over those arches. Since you start off on your heels, you will naturally do one of two things. Either stand up taller and let the butt come in, or tilt the upper body more toward the ball. Depending on how far away from the ball you are will determine which of these two habits you develop. If you are close to the ball you will stand up. If you are far away from the ball you will squat. As for hip turn, you may simply be flexible. That's fine. It's just very very very rare that someone is as static with their hips as you are without some training. I am perfectly willing to accept that you have come by it naturally. I do think a good hip turn COULD potentially help. But first I'd fix that weight. |
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Post by meesh on Jun 20, 2010 18:54:17 GMT -5
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 21, 2010 11:46:59 GMT -5
I can't see your swing at the moment. But one of the issues of your swing I didn't like was your hands go more straight back in the takeaway and that causes problems in the downswing and at impact. That's one of the reasons why I think you could benefit from a steeper shoulder turn in the backswing, it usually helps the golfer get the hands more inside in the backswing.
You may want to try and put a golf glove under your left armpit and keep it there and hit balls with that glove under your left armpit. The area where your upper left arm connects to the left side of your body is known as the #4 Pressure Point.
So, we keep that in tact as well as getting our shoulder turn steeper in the backswing. If that #4 PP gets loose, you're are probably taking those hands too 'straight back' or outside. If it stays in tact, then the hands should come inside. Remember, this is a *pressure* point. So when I say 'stay in tact', I am saying that the pressure stays in tact. It's somewhat easy to keep the glove in your armpit when you do this drill. But keeping the pressure in tact is something you have to pay more attention to and if you do that, it's very hard to not get that inside hand path in the backswing.
3JACK
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Post by meesh on Jun 21, 2010 12:31:30 GMT -5
Should I keep the glove under my left armpit after impact
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 21, 2010 16:57:15 GMT -5
I would just worry about keeping it in tact on the backswing. You would still want it in tact after impact, but I would worry about the backswing for now. I think if you can get this taken care of, then we can move to the downswing and impact portion. You'll probably still come OTT a bit if your shoulder turn gets steeper and your hand path gets more inside, but when we work on the downswing, it will be easier to accomplish with a better pivot, shoulder turn and handpath in the backswing.
I honestly think you have a lot of potential...if anything, to hit the ball a long, long way.
3JACK
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jun 21, 2010 16:57:46 GMT -5
Oh, your pivot already looks much much better.
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Post by meesh on Jun 24, 2010 19:59:51 GMT -5
Thanks for the help richie3jack.
I Have been working on the keeping the glove in the left arpit drill, and I notice a change in my ball flight. Am hitting the ball right to left more often. I still hit it left to right sometimes but not as much.
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