meesh
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Post by meesh on Jul 11, 2010 20:35:39 GMT -5
I was wondering what people think of this book. Is it to complicated? 3JACK i know you mention Geoff in your blog but have you bought the ebook?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jul 11, 2010 21:49:40 GMT -5
Yes. It's very good if you're very patient to read it. Unbelievable amount of info in there. Lots of neurological science stuff as well.
3JACK
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Post by mchepp on Jul 14, 2010 19:32:43 GMT -5
I think it is a great book. It is a very detailed, but if you were only interested in learning the how and not the why you can skip some of the chapters. Some of the book is done to explain why he uses the methods he does. I enjoyed it.
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Post by macfan on Jul 14, 2010 19:37:05 GMT -5
By far, the most knowledgeable guy on putting, not even close. Best book you can buy on the subject!
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Post by golfbaka on Jul 16, 2010 10:37:19 GMT -5
I was waiting for a reprint of the 'hard copy edition'. I guess the books only gonna be available electronically...
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Post by gmbtempe on Jul 18, 2010 12:52:02 GMT -5
I have tried his grip suggestion and it did not work for me, I assume though that the book is still some use if you want to use more of a finger grip as Dave Stockton suggests?
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Post by macfan on Jul 18, 2010 14:35:42 GMT -5
I very much use a palm grip, Corey Pavin weak..
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ef425
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Post by ef425 on Jul 18, 2010 22:50:34 GMT -5
I'm reading the book for the first time. I got to page 114 where he talks about the straight back straight through stroke with rocking the shoulders in a vertical plane. He even has the same drill as Dave Pelz with holding a club across your shoulders and making the end of the shaft move vertically up and down. Seems simple enough but has anyone sincerely tried to do this? I find it to be a near impossible motion that is completely unnatural to the way my shoulders move. What am I missing here?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jul 19, 2010 8:03:36 GMT -5
I don't try to use a SBST stroke. I try to minimize my arc and focus on speed.
3JACK
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ef425
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Post by ef425 on Jul 19, 2010 10:44:56 GMT -5
I'm still very impressed by the book and I understand that he says as long as the putter is square at impact and a few inches beyond it really doesn't matter what the rest looks like. However, I'm just amazed any time I read about a straight back straight through stroke. I need to find one of the biomechanics experts around here to comment on shoulder motion in a vertical plane. I just think it's impossible to do as Pelz and Mangnum describe.
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Post by pavaveda on Jul 19, 2010 10:54:03 GMT -5
I didn't get that Geoff was a SBST from the book, but it's been a couple of months. I did get a lot of other great stuff from the book though as far as aiming, reading greens, speed.
Also, FWIW, the low amateur at the Open Championship, and this year's British Amateur champ, Jin Jeong, is a student of Geoff's.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jul 19, 2010 11:06:14 GMT -5
I'm still very impressed by the book and I understand that he says as long as the putter is square at impact and a few inches beyond it really doesn't matter what the rest looks like. However, I'm just amazed any time I read about a straight back straight through stroke. I need to find one of the biomechanics experts around here to comment on shoulder motion in a vertical plane. I just think it's impossible to do as Pelz and Mangnum describe. I agree..........for short putts I think it has merit but anything with a swing of the arms to be SBST dont you have to manipulate the forearms?
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ef425
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Post by ef425 on Jul 19, 2010 11:30:12 GMT -5
That's a good question, and the answer is no. If you do the SBST stroke as Pelz and Mangnum describe, there is no manipulation of the hands and forearms, but that is only if you move the shoulders in a vertical plane which I think is impossible to do.
If you try to make a SBST stroke with what I think is a more natural shoulder motion of turning around your spine, then yes you have to manipulate the hands and forearms. Stan Utley makes this point in his book but does not comment on the vertical shoulder motion.
Here's a way to understand the difference. Imagine for a second that you have a golf ball that doesn't obey gravity, but instead rolls on a vertical wall in your house. If you had to putt this ball across your wall in a straight line (assuming it's at shoulder height), you would stand up straight, hold up your putter, and simply turn your shoulders in a horizontal plane and the putter would move SBST to the target line on your wall with no manipulation of your hands or forearms. Moving your shoulders in a horizontal plane is easy when you stand up straight because it's just turning. The problem is that the ball is on the ground and unless you bend over at 90 degrees you can't make the same natural shoulder motion to power the stroke and have the putter move SBST.
Now that said I'm arguing against two famous golf teachers and maybe I'm just missing something. Who does SBST out there? Tell me where I'm going wrong.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jul 19, 2010 11:38:27 GMT -5
Agree, because even with a putter you are on an inclined plane so you would have to have some kind of manipulation for the putter to actually go on a straight line back and through.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jul 19, 2010 12:17:47 GMT -5
The problem with the SBST stroke is that the lie angle of putters are at about 70*. If they were closer to 90*, then the shoulder movement would be a little more possible. I try to minimize my arc because I just don't want some big arc that I can't control at impact. I would suggest that anybody demanding to have a SBST may want to take a long putter, get it cut down to their normal putter length and putt with that since those lie angles are usually about 80* or so.
3JACK
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