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Post by Richie3Jack on Apr 1, 2010 17:51:30 GMT -5
Are your hooks starting left and then hooking even more left or are they starting out to the right and hooking well left of the target?
3JACK
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Post by tombaldwin on Apr 2, 2010 16:12:44 GMT -5
i have been known to do both but the starting left and going left is more common and more destructive as tend to be on the next fairway or out of bounds.
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 2, 2010 16:45:43 GMT -5
I looked at your swing, where did that DTL end up, was it pull hooked?
The baseline looks like its left of where you are aiming, which would yield a pull if you have the face square to that plane line, a pull hook if it was closed, and a pull fade if it was open. Thinking about what you state it sounds like it gets closed? What do your good shots looks like?
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Post by tombaldwin on Apr 4, 2010 17:33:48 GMT -5
the down the line swing was a slight fade, although the face on one was a slight hook consistency is the problem.
I have had the driver 3 months previously i used a 3 wood of the tee. i generally try and pull my right foot back into a closed stance following Ben hogan/brain manzella approach
to combat the hook my good shots have a slight fade, without a massive loss of length.with the 3 wood i find i can hit a controlled draw when i need to. if i try the same technique with the driver i hit a hook.
i have looked at the fs 10 on uk websites and can only find them for £260 sterling little bit out my price range for a minute.
obviously with the camera i have used anything i film is hard to analyse but appreciate any help offered.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Apr 4, 2010 19:58:41 GMT -5
Okay, what we know about the 'starts left and hooks left' swing is that your path is probably pretty decent, but your problem is more of a clubface issue. Your clubface is getting closed at impact.
Let's say your clubface is 4* closed to the TARGET.
You can have a 0.0* SQUARE TO THE TARGET path and still hit that pull hook.
So what we need to figure out is why that clubface is closed at impact. Because if you can get it pretty close to square at impact, you'll probably hit it straight or a nice push-draw at the target.
3JACK
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Post by tombaldwin on Apr 9, 2010 15:52:37 GMT -5
Thanks richie for the reply, some great blog posts recently.
play today had a few two way misses again these were on the front nine but hit some really great drives and ended up being 1 over on the back nine.
reading the blog an open or closed face seems to be the problem.
i have found using a twist away means more hooks and opening the face too much can mean cuts.
how would you go about controlling the club face consistently?
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Post by tombaldwin on May 29, 2010 11:45:06 GMT -5
had a short session on trackman and k-vest proved interesting
showed my swing was into out more than i anticipated with an open face so i was playing push draws.
when the pro asked if i could hit a straight shot i adjusted my swing and had an on line path and out the middle
the pro said i did not have a very high ball flight we play in windy conditions and it showed up on trackman.
and just by changing my alignment the spin axis numbers came down
with k-vest he compared my kinematic sequence to an average tour pro and surprised to show my fastest part of my swing was after contact, i thought this was impossible ?
here is my swing from 2 views, i dont like how i stand up through impact.
slow face on
slow dtl
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Post by jonnygrouville on May 31, 2010 8:50:47 GMT -5
I stand up through the ball a bit as well and have never really worked out why, understood it, been told why it happens or given any advice to sort it out. If it helps, here is my current thinking on this... I've put a lot of it down to being underplane and swinging too far out to the right. Add to this a bit of a flip and you've probably got to find some height from somewhere to stop hitting the ground a foot behind the ball. I am then trying to swing more left and hopefully get my left hip moving more round not forward or out towards the ball. Hope that helps. Would be interested to hear any more comments.
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Post by TeddyIrons on Jun 3, 2010 12:25:54 GMT -5
I think if we start the downswing with a little sit-down, it loads the legs so that any standing up would probably happen after impact, which is when we would want it. Just a guess.
Nice swing Tom.
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Post by Ringer on Jun 3, 2010 15:00:23 GMT -5
Great swing. Here's what I see.
You stand up at impact because you have almost no knee flex at the setup.
The reason you push draw it is because you're so far in front of it that your path HAS to come from the inside. Even your head is mostly in front of the ball. This puts your swing center in front of it and that will cause the path to be inside out fairly dramatically.
What you are forced to do to avoid the straight pushes to the right is to shut the face going forward. Timed right this results in a draw. Timed late and you push it. Get the hands there too early and you'll hit sweeping hooks that start left and don't stop.
You aren't that far off though. We just need to kill that lean forward so much of the upper body. Start the swing with the legs and keep your head behind the ball. You will also feel like you need to release "later" in the swing. That's good. It means you don't need to force the release anymore. Instead just relax the arms and let the club roll the arms for you.
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Post by tombaldwin on Jun 4, 2010 15:34:10 GMT -5
Thanks for the comments everyone
played today drives for the most part went where i wanted them to go only a few bad ones
more knee flex seemed to help dose not get the club so high at impact with club face pointing left
couple of ideas on why i stand up, play football/soccer for a long time and every time you pass or shoot your standing leg (left leg) seems to straighten and this seems to come into the golf swing.
i often play with someone who always played cricket. he leans back left foot in the air all his weight on his right foot really strange but you can tell he played cricket, no doubt those who play baseball bring some of the actions they use to golf.
little funny drill i use for knee flex in the down swing is setting up like Moe Norman, you have to squat to get back to ball without topping it.
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Post by tombaldwin on Jan 3, 2011 18:13:26 GMT -5
havent posted anything about my swing in a while
Have been strugling recently
on trackman in july was swinging too inside out with a face that was open. couldnt get it closed one bit swingin that inside out
still cant keep a driver on the fairway hitting push and hooks
normally ok with my irons hit them resonably straight but been having low point problems
cant hit a controled push draw with the driver
any suggestions ?
really poor light.
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