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Post by riduffer on Nov 26, 2010 23:38:37 GMT -5
Still learning to use the camera. Hopefully future videos will be better quality.
I have been golfing 4 years, now at about a 10 handicap. I play alot, so I've learned to work with what I've got and keep the ball in play. But I really have no idea what I should be working on to improve my swing.
Somehow I have ended up playing the ball back in my stance, with hands way forward at address. Seems like the only way I can make solid contact.
Top of my backswing looks weird (lifting/collapsing arms, leaning left, etc.) but I don't know why I do this.
My miss with the driver is a hook lately, and my irons are all-around inconsistent (contact and direction).
Appreciate any advice guys!
4-iron FO
7-iron DTL (thin)
PW FO
Driver DTL
Driver FO
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Post by natep on Nov 27, 2010 0:19:55 GMT -5
Swing looks pretty good. The only thing that sticks out to me is that it seems like you rotate your body hard through impact with your hands and arms pulled in close to your body. Your arms dont have that extended look where they're both straight just after impact.
Other than that, I'd say you're not too far from where you want to be.
Just my $0.02 of course.
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Post by riduffer on Nov 27, 2010 0:49:34 GMT -5
Swing looks pretty good. The only thing that sticks out to me is that it seems like you rotate your body hard through impact with your hands and arms pulled in close to your body. Your arms dont have that extended look where they're both straight just after impact. Other than that, I'd say you're not too far from where you want to be. Just my $0.02 of course. Thanks for the reply. I definitely see what you mean. When I make practice swings I feel like I get that nice extension. But when I try to to hit balls with arms extended, I hit some crazy shots (6-inches fat, hooks, slices). Feels like I'm all jammed up in the backswing and just struggling to save it.
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Post by gmbtempe on Nov 28, 2010 20:51:33 GMT -5
riduffer,
I think your setup looks really nice in the first video which I used on V1.
I think your swing gets really long and this pulls your body into a reverse pivot type motion.
The length of the swing looks to pull you accross the line at the top but the camera is poorly position, place it down your knee line not behind the ball target line. So long swing that gets accross the line with a slight reverse pivot. This will usually bring the club down steep and under plane, which will likely cause you to lose the right wrist bend so you don't hit the ground way to early. To compensate for the loss in right wrist bend many people find moving the ball back is a compensation to still make a good strike.
Do you miss with a snap hook or big block to the right? Thats the typical with the issues I see.
I think you need to shorten that swing. I also think it looks like you use a one piece takeaway and think you would be better off with a right forearm takeaway because it would be easier to do, you dont rotate your your arms enough in the backswing which causes some of the cross the line.
Shorten the swing and refilm and I bet you see some different looking pivot motions, even your PW is at least paralell.
You dont need a long backswing to hit the ball a long way if you maintain the mechanics of a good golf swing, your throwing them all away long before you get to the ball.
Here is a friend of mine, tour level player, no need to have it the length you do to hit it far.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Nov 29, 2010 9:32:46 GMT -5
I agree with gmbtempe. I've recently gained about 15 yards to my irons and have shortened my swing a bunch in the process. In fact, my swing is still a bit too long because I tend to over-fold the right arm in the backswing. For most golfers the right arm is best off folded at a 90* angle at the top of the swing. I tend to have it folded at say a 70* angle.
As far as extension in practice swings go. Because there is no golf ball there, your swing will react differently. A few months ago I wanted to see if this was true and I taped myself swinging the club without a ball and the big thing I noticed was how much more extension I had. But once I put a ball there, my extension of the arms was gone.
3JACK
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Post by riduffer on Nov 29, 2010 16:20:22 GMT -5
Thank you for the feedback gmbtempe. I was comparing my swing to Brian Smock's (iteach thread) last night, and noticing how much shorter his backswing is.
I will work on shortening my swing next session, and try to get better camera angles.
Also going to re-watch 3jack's video on right forearm takeaway.
Thanks again for taking the time to help me out.
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Post by Ringer on Dec 2, 2010 17:58:40 GMT -5
Seems like that grip is mighty strong. Everything else you do is either to work around that grip or add power.
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Post by riduffer on Dec 2, 2010 22:13:47 GMT -5
Seems like that grip is mighty strong. Everything else you do is either to work around that grip or add power. Thanks for the reply ringer. I started out with a much more neutral grip. I was somewhat consistent, but a miserably short, weak-slice hitter. So yeah, the strong grip (and other compensations) probably were an effort to get some distance and try to draw the ball.
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Post by Ringer on Dec 3, 2010 15:46:01 GMT -5
Seems like that grip is mighty strong. Everything else you do is either to work around that grip or add power. Thanks for the reply ringer. I started out with a much more neutral grip. I was somewhat consistent, but a miserably short, weak-slice hitter. So yeah, the strong grip (and other compensations) probably were an effort to get some distance and try to draw the ball. That's understandable, and the route a lot of people go. In fact I think it's where most golf instructors go when trying to fix people with weak fades and slices. Strong grips are a quick fix. The problem as I see it though, is that you have to do something to compensate for this strong grip that usually ends up being inconsistent. There are some exceptions of course. Trevino is the most prevalent in my mind. But there you see what someone has to do just to hit a straight ball with a strong grip. Ball way back in the stance, open setup, and hit down like every swing is a punch shot. It works, but clearly something has to be done to hit it straight. Your swing is just another something that compensates for it. Depending on your outlook, that could be good or bad.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Dec 3, 2010 15:59:00 GMT -5
I prefer the strong grip now. I think it makes it a lot easier to keep the shaft in line with the left arm past impact, which produces powerful shots and better control of the clubface and low point.
I also feel that most people naturally grip the club with a strong grip of some kind and it's not until they are taught the grip that they start going to weaker style grip and I don't think it helps most people
3JACK
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Post by riduffer on Dec 8, 2010 20:29:37 GMT -5
Trying to shorten swing. Hit some good ones and some flubs. Getting a tripod for X-mas. My cameraman was drunk I think.
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Post by tightdraw on Dec 31, 2010 23:24:15 GMT -5
as soon as I strengthened my grip considerably I stopped hitting big draws and hooks. Like 3Jack says, i have found that the strong grip actually keeps me from having the shaft get quickly in line with my right arm and keeps my hands from flipping. So the net effect is CP release and a straighter (dare I say it 'tightdraw') ball flight.
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Post by riduffer on Jan 1, 2011 1:20:40 GMT -5
thank you tightdraw and dennyalberts.
denny, I will post some video after working on that drill. Really appreciate your input.
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Post by tightdraw on Jan 1, 2011 3:17:48 GMT -5
I lived in Tucson from 1980 to 1984. Taught at the University of Arizona before moving back east to Yale. I was just getting back into golf seriously then and students of mine who were on the UA golf team introduced me to Homero Blancas at Randolph Park to give me some lessons. I had an east coast training and had an 'in the barrel' swing. Homero had been a disciple of Jimmy Ballard and by the time he was done with me i moved so far off the ball to the right i was in another area code and needed a telescope to see my ball. I sure could hit it then but I was never certain where I would find it or if I would. But the weather was warm so I played a fair amount which led to my practicing enough hours to fully ingrain a swing that nearly ruined me. Came back to Yale Golf Course in 1985 after all those desert courses in Tucson with my Jimmy Ballard style swing and I located places on the property that CB Macdonald didn't know were there. Denny where were you when I needed you:-) On the other hand, if I had found my game then I may never have left the UA for Yale and how would I have explained that to my mother and father in Brooklyn.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 1, 2011 12:42:35 GMT -5
Funny tightdraw.....Yale > UA
I am not a big Tucson guy myself but the stuff on the north end is ok.
Riduffer, keep it up swing looks better. Hopefully the scores as well!
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