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Post by jtothec on Apr 19, 2011 8:09:32 GMT -5
im looking for some insight on getting the 3 wood to draw off the deck. i can get it to draw 1 out of 10 swings but im looking for something i can trust. ive tried tgm hitting and swinging, also square closed and closed closed plane lines all with plane line tracing with #3 pp but the face stays open and i will have a little fade in all the shots. since its hard to close the face at address without delofting it and hitting a low hook what is the trick. obviously i could get a closed 3wood but i feel like im cheating. right now i have a mizuno f50 and a r9 that is set at neutral. i have not tried the r9 in the closed position. so lets hear how the rest of you do it.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 19, 2011 8:16:25 GMT -5
Hit down on it! The more you hit down the more the club path will move to the right.
Path right, face left = shot moving left
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 19, 2011 9:35:19 GMT -5
So what happens when you hit a driver? Is it a draw? What happens when you hit like a 3 iron or something similar?
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Post by iacas on Apr 19, 2011 10:55:56 GMT -5
Hit down on it! The more you hit down the more the club path will move to the right. That's the problem answers like that, though: if the guy's base plane line is already 10 degrees left, he's not hitting down on it enough to get a draw. Simple answer: swing more right (actual club path, not base plane line) than the clubface. Ball will draw every time (you hit it on the center of the clubface). :-) I've spent a lot of time developing a fairly neutral base plane line. My irons draw, my driver is a little cut, and I can manipulate "the grid" to hit shots of virtually all shapes. |
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 19, 2011 12:56:18 GMT -5
Hit down on it! The more you hit down the more the club path will move to the right. That's the problem answers like that, though: if the guy's base plane line is already 10 degrees left, he's not hitting down on it enough to get a draw. Simple answer: swing more right (actual club path, not base plane line) than the clubface. Ball will draw every time (you hit it on the center of the clubface). :-) I've spent a lot of time developing a fairly neutral base plane line. My irons draw, my driver is a little cut, and I can manipulate "the grid" to hit shots of virtually all shapes. The problem with your post is the big assumption you make about his path that aren't implied from the original post. Where does he say his plane line is left? He says he tried to keep it closed which implies he's swinging out to the right (maybe he is or maybe he isn't). Why not just limit questions and answers to only numbers from Trackman with no educated guesses to help people? |
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Post by iacas on Apr 19, 2011 16:11:07 GMT -5
The problem with your post is the big assumption you make about his path that aren't implied from the original post. Where does he say his plane line is left? He says he tried to keep it closed which implies he's swinging out to the right (maybe he is or maybe he isn't). Why not just limit questions and answers to only numbers from Trackman with no educated guesses to help people? I didn't assume anything beyond what was necessary to give him what I felt was a decent answer. He said he gets a fade most of the time. He said he's tried a "closed/closed plane line" which sounds to me like he's tried to play a pull-draw, and he does't want the low ball flight that's going to produce. So if his swing produces a fade currently (either push-fade or straight fade), then at the best his plane line is straight and most likely it's slightly left. He didn't mention anything about his contact, so yep, I assumed he wasn't thinning it or hitting it slightly fat. So, the answer becomes "swing more right." Could he do that by hitting the ball down more? Yes, but again, he said he didn't want to hit the ball low (not that they're firmly tied together, but they are linked) and his contact seems to be fine. To hit a high pushdraw, he needs to orient his plane line more to the right of the clubface, which he says he doesn't want to close or de-loft, and if he does that he can hit a high, push-draw. Face 2 degrees right, actual path 3 degrees right or so. Right now it sounds like he's 1/-2 or 0/-3 or so. Also just a guess, but his hand depth is probably not as deep as it needs to be get the path going slightly to the outside. If jtothec has more information, it'd help. |
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Post by jtothec on Apr 19, 2011 19:54:22 GMT -5
first off i tend to fear a push fade or a straight fade but lately after getting the yellow book and working on swinging instead of hitting, i have been able to work it both right and left through the irons up into the hybrids but it does get more difficult with the hybrids. as for the driver because there is no impact with the ground at lowpoint i can still work the ball but with more caution when trying to draw it compared to the mid irons. visually as i look down at the 3 wood with the head on the ground at impact fix, right forearm on plane the club face and shaft is open in the middle of my stance. so if i move the ball up in the stance to get the face and shaft square to the plane line it feels far up in my stance and sure enough they fade. so then i try swinging out to the right, even dropping my right foot back sometimes way back and still it will push fade. so thats when i try to hood it at impact fixed which delofts it and then i get some low hooks. so yes i want a push draw without having to manipulate the face at address and i feel like the more i move it back in the stance to hit out at it the more the face will be open at impact
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Post by jtothec on Apr 20, 2011 8:12:14 GMT -5
i just read your thread iacas about hand depth on another site. did the drill last night and i may get to the range at lunch to try.
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Post by iacas on Apr 20, 2011 10:15:28 GMT -5
i just read your thread iacas about hand depth on another site. did the drill last night and i may get to the range at lunch to try. Great. If you have a video that would really help everyone out to give you even better advice. You might have good hand depth but do something else to hit the little fade. |
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Post by jtothec on Apr 20, 2011 14:37:27 GMT -5
went to the range at lunch again today after working on hand depth last night. started off in short irons working my way up irons were drawing more so i knew we were on to something with the hands. sure enough i can now push draw the hybrids and 3 woods as much as i want i could even open the face even more and and still get it to push draw. i even started having a hard time getting it to fade when i wanted to i guess i am getting the hands to deep even though i think im keeping them out for a fade. im just amazed at how fast it changed things. yesterday i was trying my hardest to swing out to right field to get the ball to draw. and then today i could draw it as much as i want. the deep hands feels like fowler, furyk, moore take away but i did not want to look at it to much, just feel it. thanks again for the advice iacas, i will try and get some video up.
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