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Post by iteachgolf on Aug 26, 2010 13:02:21 GMT -5
David has spent a great deal of time with Mac and can teach putting
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Post by gmbtempe on Aug 26, 2010 13:12:54 GMT -5
David hurt his wrist on first day and could not finish his swing .He has always has had a back issue and some time a wrist problem. ' We are also looking for the' Mac of putting'. I gave him the Magnam book but he is little afraid of it. He did birdie 52 of last 108 holes after after reading a couple ideas from it. Like keep grip pressure constant and same distance back and thru. that suckkkkkkkkkkks I am going to ask a contact who worked directly with Mangum what he thinks.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Aug 26, 2010 13:34:55 GMT -5
Mangum's book is a difficult read and I think is probably better geared towards an instructor, particularly one who is looking to become one of his authorized instructors. I've talked to quite a few of his students and every one of them has said their putting improved dramatically since working with him in person. From the sounds of it, it will take about a handful of lessons, but then it really comes on strong. Elk's putting is the best it's ever been...at the age of 47 and IMO, Elk is one of the most interesting guys to look at now as his ballstriking is still statistically top notch and now with Mangum teaching his putting, we're getting a rare glimpse at a guy who can strike the ball well and putt well at a Tour level.
Orr has worked extensively with Mangum and Mac. I first met David all the way back in 1991 when he was playing the Hogan Tour (now the Nationwide Tour) as David grew up about 15 miles from my hometown. Back then I thought he was a fabulous ballstriker, but just couldn't putt. About 17 years later I see he's an instructor who knows the swing inside and out and now is a putting guru. Very happy for him because even back in '91 I could tell that he was willing to put the work in to become a legitimately great instructor.
Anyway, Orr also works with Mark Sweeney at AimPoint golf. Mangum doesn't like AimPoint. I can't help but suspect part of it is due to both of them competing in business against each other. When I spoke to iteachgolf at his Orlando clinic, I asked who is the best putter he's seen. He replied 'Does it have to be on Tour?' I said no and he said 'Mark Sweeney (the founder of AimPoint Golf).
I would highly recommend getting involved with either Mangum or Orr. Although I think he might be better off with Orr because his ballstriking is there, his power is there, the shortgame and course management may be the final missing piece and if you don't address it, it may just always hold you back....or worse, if you go to the wrong guy, you may wind up having to correct everything. Plus, I don't think they will hurt your game right away.
Orr has plenty of experience with PGA Tour players, so he can not only teach the putting aspect, but other short game stuff and how to prepare for the Tours.
3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Aug 26, 2010 13:37:40 GMT -5
Orr has worked with Wi this year as well who has great stat improvement. Of course these are east coast guys and we are in Az/Ca area.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Aug 26, 2010 14:25:53 GMT -5
Orr has worked with Wi on his putting for a few years IIRC. His putting was fabulous last year as he was 23rd in Putts Gained. From what I gather from Orr, he said that Charlie just had to trust him that putting was more feel and instinctual than mechanical and working on the stroke.
Either way, Mangum or Orr will start off a student with the same type of fundamentals
1. Speed/Touch 2. Green Reading 3. Aim 4. Hitting it where you have aimed.
And #1 is the most important fundamental.
3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Aug 26, 2010 14:45:29 GMT -5
Orr has worked with Wi on his putting for a few years IIRC. His putting was fabulous last year as he was 23rd in Putts Gained. From what I gather from Orr, he said that Charlie just had to trust him that putting was more feel and instinctual than mechanical and working on the stroke. Either way, Mangum or Orr will start off a student with the same type of fundamentals 1. Speed/Touch 2. Green Reading 3. Aim 4. Hitting it where you have aimed. And #1 is the most important fundamental. 3JACK I was listening to PGA coverage today and Kratzer was saying that because the way coverage is done and highlights are being shown that most people get the perception that the pro's make the majority of the 15' putts when in reality they only make slightly more than the average player but what they what they do exceptionally well is make them from 5' and in.
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Post by pavaveda on Aug 26, 2010 15:26:22 GMT -5
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Post by iteachgolf on Sept 18, 2010 1:15:42 GMT -5
Jason is a good friend of mine. Great guy and knows his stuff
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Post by secondary on Sept 30, 2010 12:39:46 GMT -5
Denny, Not sure if you made it to NY with David or not? If you did, any insight into what went wrong, you know besides the obvious, golf is HARD.
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Post by secondary on Oct 1, 2010 13:43:45 GMT -5
Thanks Denny, I know that was painful to type that much!! Good luck man. I haven't been to your side of town in a LONG while, I will stop by and say hey before the snowbirds come back and you get too busy to talk!
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 14, 2011 10:40:07 GMT -5
This is from my lesson with Denny last week. I think its pretty good talking about tension and then letting the energy release into the ball. Nothing darome or TGM just basic golf stuff.
Volume is not great.
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Post by cloran on Jan 14, 2011 10:53:10 GMT -5
Great stuff Greg! I love videos like this (I'm a fan of your swing and Denny's teaching so I'm a little biased). Any chance of posting some more "behind the ropes" kind of stuff from you and Denny? Seeing him explain the motion makes things so much easier for me to understand and absorb.
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Post by cloran on Jan 19, 2011 8:14:05 GMT -5
Great post Denny, and thanks for uploading those new videos on youtube. You sure have lots of "toys," lol. I'm going to make a few of my own.
I love the way you think and your open-mindedness... I'm no pro (closer to a hacker truth be told, lol), but I too like to reject dogma and learn from various perspectives. Jack Kuykendall, Todd Graves, Geoff Jones, Manzella, Clement, You (quite the motley crew, lol)... I don't think you can find a more diverse group of swing styles, philosophies, and approaches. Yet I learn from them all.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jan 19, 2011 10:26:52 GMT -5
I agree on the hyperextended left arm. I've ran into that issue myself, but I think I've corrected that. For most of '09, didn't have a problem with the hyper extended left arm. Then in Oct '09, all of the sudden started hyper extending the left arm. I think the early right arm fold and centered pivot. And I think what happened in '09 when I was *not* hyper-extending the left arm was my work with Ted Fort had me using the right forearm takeaway, which folded my right arm pretty early in the backswing.
Thanks for the insight.
3JACK
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Post by tball88 on Jan 26, 2011 14:32:32 GMT -5
Denny, i was watching your youtube video, I saw the throw the oven mitt drill, but I didn't quite get what you were trying to get across. Can you or anyone else explain it in written terms.
Thanks
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