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Post by aimsmithgolf on Jan 26, 2011 21:18:06 GMT -5
Denny,
Same as tball... not clear from the video. But can tell you that I am having GREAT success with the other instruction on your channel.
Rand
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Post by cloran on Feb 9, 2011 17:10:54 GMT -5
Denny, I happen to see the videos you put up yesterday. Thanks for doing that. The vids gave me some good feelings to look for. So... I hit the range today. If anyone reading this is interrested in effortless power you need to follow Denny's stuff! For the takeaway I forgot about my hands, clubface, all the things rattling around in my coconut; and turned my shoulders and tossed the ball over my shoulder. From the top I wanted to FEEL over the top. Missing the first ball and hitting the second as I swing to the left. No tugging, pulling, pushing, twisting feelings. Dead weight over the shoulder then across to the left and low. Pelvis pushing up and forward after impact. It looks in your videos like you wouldn't be able to hit a 5 iron 100 yards swinging so easily. Well, I lost no distance what-so-ever. The balls had a real nice trajectory and best of all, I felt like I could hit 1000 balls and not break a sweat (it's only 28* today but you get my point). I made a few posture changes as well. Closer to the ball, more upright with the torso ans slightly rounded shoulders/upper back. I'm not crazy enough to think I was doing everything correctly, but I was still pleasently surprised by the results. It's a pretty neat pattern you've got there. You could have knocked me over with a feather after I flushed my very first ball. 4 iron, dead straight, 200 yards.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 9, 2011 17:33:04 GMT -5
Yea, I worked with him 2 hours off the cuff on Sunday and we worked on a lot of that stuff. The backswing stuff especially, thats why I said the Edwin video on the backswing could have been from Denny. Its up with the hands, shoulder turn, thats it.
I like the feel of keeping my hands in front of me, perfect P6 position is very easy to achieve. Straight line delivery inside and left after a slight shift with the shoulders.
I did this video for Ralph Perez (Lagster) trying to describe the feel I have of a straight line.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 9, 2011 17:36:53 GMT -5
Denny, i was watching your youtube video, I saw the throw the oven mitt drill, but I didn't quite get what you were trying to get across. Can you or anyone else explain it in written terms. Thanks Did not see this earlier but as your hand there is almost a pushing/rotating down of the right palm at impact. The right hand does not work under is the biggest thing to avoid. I believe the "oven mitt" comes from a Hank Haney teaching term.
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Post by cloran on Feb 9, 2011 19:55:30 GMT -5
Greg, I see that Denny always sets up with a closed stance (feet), but with the front foot flared a good amount. Is this to restrict the pivot/hip slide or for some other reason?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Feb 10, 2011 8:27:09 GMT -5
Greg, I see that Denny always sets up with a closed stance (feet), but with the front foot flared a good amount. Is this to restrict the pivot/hip slide or for some other reason? That does the exact opposite of restricting anything. Closed stance means in the backswing the hips can turn more freely. Front foot flared allows the hips to turn more freely in the downswing. 3JACK
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Post by cloran on Feb 10, 2011 8:46:23 GMT -5
Greg, I see that Denny always sets up with a closed stance (feet), but with the front foot flared a good amount. Is this to restrict the pivot/hip slide or for some other reason? That does the exact opposite of restricting anything. Closed stance means in the backswing the hips can turn more freely. Front foot flared allows the hips to turn more freely in the downswing. 3JACK There's more to it than I thought then. I'll guess then that the closed stance pushes the path to the right, but the flared front foot allows for a stronger swing to the left? Is it all about action-counter action? Balance between the "back" and "through" portions of the swing?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Feb 10, 2011 9:07:05 GMT -5
There's more to it than I thought then. I'll guess then that the closed stance pushes the path to the right, but the flared front foot allows for a stronger swing to the left? You've got a bit of the idea. Let's say I aim my stance at the target (parallel to the target line). Then I take my normal swing. Then I close my stance to the target and take my normal swing. The path will very likely shift to the right because the body will likely be aimed to the right and you more or less 'swing along your body.' Of course, one can have a closed stance and a square body....but you get the idea. Because I CP release, I'm swinging left quite a bit. When I close my stance, that will *for me*, get the path square or a smidge to the right. So I will hit it straight or hit a slight CP-draw. This also allows me to get more hip turn in the backswing, which helps increase power. Has to do more with what type of shot you're trying to hit. Fade would be different from a draw. High shot different from a low shot. That's why I hate this Martin Hall, Nick Faldo 'change your swing' or 'turn your hands over or hold them off' stuff in order to work the ball. You can instead make some slight adjustments in your feet flare and ball position and hit those shots and to the normal golfer it will look like you didn't do a thing differently. 3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 10, 2011 10:09:34 GMT -5
Richie hit on it a little.
the closed stance also affects eye and head tilts which can affect baselines. Its different for every player because everyone has different optics.
It obviously also has the benefit of clearly the right hip on the backswing.
I think the closed stance also helps with a baseline shift to the left, again this is tied to the optics as well. I would say some of this is research Denny is doing and not really Mac stuff, though thats the roots obviously.
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Post by cloran on Feb 10, 2011 10:39:17 GMT -5
Just in case anyone questioned it, here's PROOF that Denny is indeed a golfing magician!
*poof* he disappears!!! lol
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Post by tba on Feb 10, 2011 13:31:55 GMT -5
There's more to it than I thought then. I'll guess then that the closed stance pushes the path to the right, but the flared front foot allows for a stronger swing to the left? You've got a bit of the idea. Let's say I aim my stance at the target (parallel to the target line). Then I take my normal swing. Then I close my stance to the target and take my normal swing. The path will very likely shift to the right because the body will likely be aimed to the right and you more or less 'swing along your body.' Of course, one can have a closed stance and a square body....but you get the idea. Because I CP release, I'm swinging left quite a bit. When I close my stance, that will *for me*, get the path square or a smidge to the right. So I will hit it straight or hit a slight CP-draw. This also allows me to get more hip turn in the backswing, which helps increase power. Has to do more with what type of shot you're trying to hit. Fade would be different from a draw. High shot different from a low shot. That's why I hate this Martin Hall, Nick Faldo 'change your swing' or 'turn your hands over or hold them off' stuff in order to work the ball. You can instead make some slight adjustments in your feet flare and ball position and hit those shots and to the normal golfer it will look like you didn't do a thing differently. 3JACK What about the face relationship to the path and the other factors of the d-plane, vsp, etc.? Don't those come into play? How will the stance affect those?
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Post by cloran on Feb 11, 2011 8:22:32 GMT -5
Denny, Do you recommend using larger grips (specifically under the left hand) as this may help keep the left wrist "locked" in place?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Feb 11, 2011 9:17:37 GMT -5
D-Plane = fancy term meaning 'correct laws of ball flight.'
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Feb 11, 2011 18:41:02 GMT -5
I'm going to video my swing soon and see if I'm coming close to what Denny prescribes. I have to be because portions of the range session I just finished were REDICULOUS!
I'd say I was 60/40 good to bad... but the good was GOOOOOOOD. If I forgot to swing lift, etc I'd hit some sh-sh-sh-sh-sh... I'd hit the hosel.
What I'm really liking is just how effortless things feel. I've had great range sessions before, but I would usually end up sore and tired. I was putting a lot of extra effort (hip thrusts, pivot twisteroos, etc) into what should be a "simple" motion.
Here's an example of the GOOD:
In one stretch I hit the 200 yard green with my 4 iron 10 balls in a row. A record for me.
The next two shots were hosel rockets. I could feel myself slinging the club down the line instead of keeping the right shoulder high, moving slightly forward and swinging left.
Towards the end I started to groove things a bit and I experimented with really swinging hard through the ball. THAT was fun!
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Post by cloran on Feb 11, 2011 18:45:29 GMT -5
I forgot to add:
There's nothing about this motion that feels contrived to me. Perhaps it's my baseball background because I really feel comfortable with the movement.
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