Jonny's swing

[jonnygrouville]

Okay. Not going to say what I am doing or think I am doing or want to be doing as we could be here all day. Here are some swing clips.

Firstly, apologies for the low quality videos. Will have another look at editing software so you don't have to watch me walk back and forth.

Secondly, apologies for my legs. It might look cloudy, but is very warm.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEHKdNbuiwU

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtFWRN-dBLc

My bad shots have been hooks, but more of a straight pull recently.

Comments, help, anything greatly appreciated!

[gmbtempe]

Really nice swings there jonny...it looks like your a bit late at P6 (club parallel to ground on the downswing) and then you force the catch up and causes just a wee bit of throwaway. I wanted to bring them into V1 but you it wont read them from your actual youtube page and I just could not find them plugging the title into a regular youtube search.

[jonnygrouville]

Thanks.

With you on the throwaway. What do you mean by 'a bit late'? I have been hitting balls with a conscious pause at the top to make myself turn through and get my belt-buckle looking at the target sooner. Feels like I am being very aggressive with my pivot, but, as you can see, could still be better by impact. Does seem to be helping keep my ball-flight down a bit, but clearly more to do here.

Hmm. I wonder what I have done wrong with the videos. Will have a look.

[Richie3Jack]

Your clubface is quite a bit closed on the downswing. It looks good on the backswing, just gets closed. That's the basic reason why you struggle with hooks and pulls. I think you might work better with pitch elbow than your current punch elbow position.




3JACK

[jonnygrouville]

Thank you. If you have time, I would love to have some more explanation of your comment. I have been back to the right elbow positions (http://3jack.blogspot.com/2009/04/tgm-10-3-elbow-positions.html), but I am still not sure what I should be trying to do for a pitch elbow. And will this help with the clubface?

The action of the right arm and position of the elbow has been at the fore of my thinking (as you can probably tell from the walrus and warchant waggle). My hands and right elbow are still getting a little deep, but I am trying to have my right elbow more 'infront' of my body. Is this going to help?

Does seem to be helping the left wrist position as it doesn't look as arched in this swing. Clearly still closed, but not as bad as it was. I still hit it very high and had the high right as a miss for a long time. Always thought this was overdoing the last minute flip to save from the shut clubface.

[jonnygrouville]

Okay. Had a monkey around with the videos, loaded up to YouTube again and added new links to the original post. How does that work?

[Richie3Jack]

I should clarify something on the clubface. It doesn't look massively shut on the downswing, but it looks more closed on the downswing than at the top of the swing.

I used to play with punch elbow and just moved to pitch elbow. Had some similar problems with punch elbow.

Pitch elbow has the elbow out in front of the pelvis.



For *me*, getting into pitch elbow I would just think about putting my right elbow in front of my pelvis on the downswing. I'm not really sure how to teach it any other way.




3JACK

[gmbtempe]

Jonny,

That picture Richie posted shows what I mean at P6. See the attached photo of you, your hands should be just about opposite the right thigh at P6 like David Orr's.

Down the line this swing was not below plane. Looks like a tad early extension with a hip thrust towards the ball, my guess is to add velocity to get your hands to catch up from P6 to P7.

[jonnygrouville]

Richie, it was the bit about the elbow's position more in front of the pelvis that I couldn't get. Makes more sense now. At this stage, the elbow, hands and everything need to be more infront.

For me, halfway back, my hands have already got very deep and even more to the top. Moving this same position towards impact is going to leave my hands exactly where they are in the picture gmb has put together - opposite the right side of my chest not in the middle like Gary Orr. My thinking is that if I am more 'infront' going back I stand a better chance of being there in the critical stages of the downswing.

Clubface-wise, I think I can probably soften it a bit more throughout. My thinking is that this will foster less of a 'hold-off' type shot. Will have an experiment and update some time.

With you there gmb. I had spotted the move away from the yellow-line there as well.

In full motion, it kind of looks like my pivot stalls, kind of where the photo is above. Everything whips through and it looks like my legs kind of 'bag' through impact as they are being dragged along by the clubhead. As if my hands are lagging behind the rest of the swing.

I have then been trying to set everything in better shape at the top of the swing to be able to pivot through more aggressively without having to move towards the ball, stall, etc., but clearly not there yet. Will keep going!

Thanks again gents.