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Post by cloran on Mar 9, 2010 22:23:23 GMT -5
I have no idea how to embed videos, sorry. I'm 1650 reps deep into Module 2 with Lag Erickson. This is my swing with a 9 iron. I'm not sure if anything has bled into my swing yet, but it seems a little more shallow than prior to the modules. I still have an OTT move (can see it for sure in the DTL video). To me it looks like I bring the club back under the plane and then the OTT move puts me back onto it. Perhaps Modules 3 and 4 will help with that. FRONT www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cdeljc6lqegDTL www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-6WR_j1qLI |
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 9, 2010 22:59:48 GMT -5
stop it!!!
You are not over the top, yes you are slightly flat then transition steeper but you are not round housing in an classic hacker over the top move. Its very tough video conditions but I thought you are on plane, the right forearm at P6 points right at the ball which is great.
Couple things that I notice, these are not bad but things that jump out at me as unique to your swing. You take it back very flat and are definitely off plane but as you state you make a compensation to get steeper.
Your backswing is very short and I would imagine this is a product of going so flat and the club gets laid off a bit. Did you used to be a one plane swinger?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 9, 2010 23:34:57 GMT -5
You're not over the top. Not even close. I agree with Greg 100% on this one.
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Mar 9, 2010 23:37:04 GMT -5
Yes, I've tried several one plane swing styles over the years. Symple swing, Natural golf, basically anything related to Moe Norman. All without any formal instruction which was probably pretty stupid.
Lag would like his students to be flat and more around than up and down. I think I over do it a bit on the backswing. There are a few ways to get to the 4:30 line. One is with a loop/gravity drop to the line... the other is a flat back swing with less of a drop. Then there's my take on it. Bring it back under the plane and come over the top, lol. I don't know if Lag would like that one too much...
I absolutely have a complex about my downswing. I need to get OVER it, lol.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 9, 2010 23:50:58 GMT -5
I have been reading many posts like yours about OTT around the net and I am realizing that any move steeper people tend to think they are OTT, which I guess they may be but the key is are they "on plane", thats all that matters. If you are on plane, have proper power accumulation and release you can play some pretty good golf.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 10, 2010 0:19:31 GMT -5
All I do on my backswing is I stay connected with the #4 PP and just turn the body to the 4:30 line and then I know where to go from there. It has flattened out my backswing a bit, but nothing dramatic IMO.
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Mar 10, 2010 7:12:22 GMT -5
All I do on my backswing is I stay connected with the #4 PP and just turn the body to the 4:30 line and then I know where to go from there. It has flattened out my backswing a bit, but nothing dramatic IMO. 3JACK That's ultimately what I'd like to get to. I'm still working hard on getting the module work into some sort of a swing... and I know it's not supposed to work like that. Just the opposite. But, starting with so many different swing thoughts I really have no choice. I never had my own swing. I find that if I start more on plane in the back swing and keep my wrist flat (anatomically anyway, there's always a little cup) I strike the ball pretty well... but the OTT move (as I see it anyhow) is more pronounced, and I can leave the face wide open at impact, sweeping across the ball. I REALLY have to focus on not doing it. In fact, I have to focus on it so much that I can't make a good swing.... a real catch 22. The module work is helping. I "power draw" the ball now if I swing from that deep, and the flatter irons have helped to straighten that out... Lag said to keep doing what I'm doing and M3 will bring it all together. Looking forward to it... only about another 2000 reps to go, lol. |
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Post by cloran on Mar 10, 2010 16:58:30 GMT -5
3Jack,
Are you able to turn to the 4:30 line w/out moving your head off the ball?
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Post by walther on Mar 11, 2010 1:31:52 GMT -5
All I do on my backswing is I stay connected with the #4 PP and just turn the body to the 4:30 line and then I know where to go from there. It has flattened out my backswing a bit, but nothing dramatic IMO. 3JACK FWIW, I'm on Module 1, moving to Module 2 in a few days. I'm looping the crap out of it on my backswing with the best results. I picture the club leaving on the 3:00 line, coming up to the top, then gravity dropping/free ride down to P3 that is enhanced/helped by a slight squat that also slows down the pivot. This gets you right into M1 land from which it's all automatic from there. w |
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Post by cloran on Mar 11, 2010 8:03:08 GMT -5
Walt,
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you're already a pretty good golfer, right?
I worked on moving my 4:30 line on more of a vertical plane last night... I have been swinging REALLY flat, and then need to shift the plane UP to get to the 4:30 line.
If completely flat is 0* and completely vertical is 90* I'd say it FELT like my backswing was at 20*... I'm trying tyo get it to 30* so I don't have to shift the plane so much.
Does that make sense?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 11, 2010 9:21:31 GMT -5
3Jack, Are you able to turn to the 4:30 line w/out moving your head off the ball? No, but at this moment I really don't care. My head has always moved off the ball. There is no such thing as a stationary head in the golf swing. I believe the key with the cranium is this... Draw a circle around your head from the Face On Position at address. At impact, the entire head should be in that circle at impact. It can move completely out of the circle in the backswing, but as long as it returns there at impact, you'll be okay. 3JACK |
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 11, 2010 10:10:29 GMT -5
3Jack, Are you able to turn to the 4:30 line w/out moving your head off the ball? No, but at this moment I really don't care. My head has always moved off the ball. There is no such thing as a stationary head in the golf swing. I believe the key with the cranium is this... 3JACK I believe O'Grady says the head moves 2 balls forward and 5 balls to the left during the downswing. (don't ask me why he chose golf balls as a measurement) |
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