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Post by rj on Jul 31, 2013 12:38:06 GMT -5
 Is that a drive hold release? hmmmm? |
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Post by jeffy on Jul 31, 2013 12:44:36 GMT -5
Is that a drive hold release? hmmmm? How can you tell from a still that far after impact? D/H and rollers look the same through impact even at 60fps. From Kelvin's May article: Rolling Release
A pure rolling release like Phil Mickelson’s driver swing is very rare amongst amateurs. Most amateurs have a flip/roll release in comparison which means there are elements of a flip or high rate of right wrist flexion involved in the release in addition to the roll.
When compared against a drive/hold release, the rolling release isn’t as stable and repeatable. However, compared to a flip/rolling release it remains light years ahead. Thus anyone with less than 90-95 mph clubhead speed will be effective with this release pattern. At higher speeds golfers will suffer from timing issues with the driver. So basically it’s a very good release pattern for everyone but the pros, yet ironically it is only seen with pros and low handicap amateurs.
When looking at a 60 frames per second video the rolling release is virtually indistinguishable from a drive/holder’s release. The tell-tale signs only become apparent at a higher framerate.
As I mentioned in previous articles, Phil Mickelson is definitely a roller when hitting a driver despite drive/holding his irons.www.aroundhawaii.com/lifestyle/health_and_fitness/2013-05-whats-your-release-style-part-2.html |
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Post by rj on Jul 31, 2013 12:51:27 GMT -5
Is that a drive hold release? hmmmm? How can you tell from a still that far after impact? D/H and rollers look the same through impact even at 60fps. From Kelvin's May article: Rolling Release
A pure rolling release like Phil Mickelson’s driver swing is very rare amongst amateurs. Most amateurs have a flip/roll release in comparison which means there are elements of a flip or high rate of right wrist flexion involved in the release in addition to the roll.
When compared against a drive/hold release, the rolling release isn’t as stable and repeatable. However, compared to a flip/rolling release it remains light years ahead. Thus anyone with less than 90-95 mph clubhead speed will be effective with this release pattern. At higher speeds golfers will suffer from timing issues with the driver. So basically it’s a very good release pattern for everyone but the pros, yet ironically it is only seen with pros and low handicap amateurs.
When looking at a 60 frames per second video the rolling release is virtually indistinguishable from a drive/holder’s release. The tell-tale signs only become apparent at a higher framerate.
As I mentioned in previous articles, Phil Mickelson is definitely a roller when hitting a driver despite drive/holding his irons.www.aroundhawaii.com/lifestyle/health_and_fitness/2013-05-whats-your-release-style-part-2.htmlHow can you tell from a still that far after impact? D/H and rollers look the same through impact even at 60fps. Exactly! How can you tell? |
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Post by rj on Jul 31, 2013 12:53:03 GMT -5
Can you post up a better still of Phil's drive hold release with an iron.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jul 31, 2013 12:58:33 GMT -5
Thats a really poor angle to tell anything, a face on would be better.
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Post by rj on Jul 31, 2013 15:31:58 GMT -5
Doesn't look like "drive holding." Looks the same as the driver. He has supination in both swings driver and iron. The difference is the length of the club affecting the timing of the release. He rolls both.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jul 31, 2013 21:04:24 GMT -5
And with crappy camaera angles you can make any claim, Phil switched to SnT and thats why he won the British Open.  |
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Post by jeffy on Jul 31, 2013 21:40:59 GMT -5
Manzella says Phil has a higher ROC with the driver than with the irons... vimeo.com/71467749 |
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Post by gmbtempe on Jul 31, 2013 21:47:40 GMT -5
Manzella says Phil has a higher ROC with the driver than with the irons... vimeo.com/71467749I agree with him....of course everyone has a higher ROC with the driver than the irons. I think some of us have been saying ROC is kinda important in regards to ball striking. |
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Post by teeace on Jul 31, 2013 23:08:18 GMT -5
Exactly! How can you tell? By watching some higher frame rate videos. |
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Post by teeace on Jul 31, 2013 23:08:35 GMT -5
Double
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Post by teeace on Jul 31, 2013 23:23:52 GMT -5
Manzella says Phil has a higher ROC with the driver than with the irons... vimeo.com/71467749That was decent video from Manzella. Bit too much talk but not too big mistakes on that. One question I still got: Has someone already made a definition for ROC ? I see many guys talking about it, but what they really are talking about. BM said before it's deg/s but that's just crazy way to see it. Is there someone who sees it differently? |
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Post by rj on Aug 1, 2013 0:45:28 GMT -5
And with crappy camaera angles you can make any claim, Phil switched to SnT and thats why he won the British Open. Maybe you should check to see who posted that video on youtube. |
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Post by rj on Aug 1, 2013 0:49:34 GMT -5
Exactly! How can you tell? By watching some higher frame rate videos. Interesting comment since the video is from Kelvin M. Who posted this comment along with that video " Notice Phil's massive wrist roll does not happen in the impact zone as with his driver. Occurs way after impact." Apparently it's good enough for Kelvin M. I have to disagree that from that video of Kelvin's the iron swing's " massive wrist roll" occurs way after impact. |
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Post by rj on Aug 1, 2013 1:39:29 GMT -5
Not all Phil's iron swings are the same. The full out iron swings differ from the more " restricted" one's due to the factors B.M. talked about in his vimeo video. Phil still rolls on lots of iron swings. "Drive holding" his irons and rolling the driver....more to it than that. Like most things it all depends.
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