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Post by mudball on Jan 24, 2010 14:38:06 GMT -5
Excellent series of posts. Becoming more important and relevant to me. I had a lesson today with my friendly neighbourhood pro, Gareth. This was my 4th lesson. We started off with correcting my address and backswing and working on a different feel for starting down and increasing club shaft lean at impact... But I have a tendency to swing up and out (right) resulting in a disconnection of the left side post impact - high finish which then crashes out and collapses... He is working on lowering my follow through and to have a flatter finish - one where the hands match the position of my hands at the top of the backswing. He used the expression that I should feel as if I am swinging left - not right (which is the feeling I usually have). We tried some drills where we stick a couple of those alignment rods into the ground at an angle similar to your shaft and then try to swing without hitting them. Made me feel as if I was going to hit a big cut. Surprisingly... I did on several... ;D but then on others it flew straight and even drew. So something I am working on. Does anyone think an explanar is a good training tool to get the correct on plane follow through? Not sure I can afford one - certainly can't tell the wife
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Post by kevcarter on Jan 24, 2010 14:47:00 GMT -5
Here you go MudBall. I had sort of forgotten about mine and have started using it again. Great tool for working on plane... www.smartstickgolf.com/Kevin
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Post by mudball on Jan 24, 2010 16:21:23 GMT -5
Cheers Kevin - yes thank you for the reminder - I know about those too. Never tried one - although a pro I follow on twitter (GolfSwingGuru) did offer to let me try one if I dropped by his range.
I'll do some research - as I recall they are about twice as expensive over here in the UK!
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Post by nyclagster on Jan 24, 2010 17:52:38 GMT -5
This move is motivated by a proper pivot. It also ties in to the notion of the left shoulder going back, up and in through impact ( the right shoulder goes down, out and forward). It is a by product of proper "Pivot Thrust". Which relates to what" I" believe is the proper release of the #4 accumulator. Watch McHatton student James Ramsey alongside Paul Smith aka Guru on iseek. Note the action through and after impact. No overacceleration
I will do a post on this on my blog
Ralph
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Post by kevcarter on Jan 25, 2010 8:20:44 GMT -5
This move is motivated by a proper pivot. It also ties in to the notion of the left shoulder going back, up and in through impact ( the right shoulder goes down, out and forward). It is a by product of proper "Pivot Thrust". Which relates to what" I" believe is the proper release of the #4 accumulator. Watch McHatton student James Ramsey alongside Paul Smith aka Guru on iseek. Note the action through and after impact. No overacceleration I will do a post on this on my blog Ralph I really like that video! I would think those after impact pivot thoughts would tie well to 4-barrel hitting as well as swinging? Thanks, Kevin
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Post by kevcarter on Jan 25, 2010 8:24:07 GMT -5
Cheers Kevin - yes thank you for the reminder - I know about those too. Never tried one - although a pro I follow on twitter (GolfSwingGuru) did offer to let me try one if I dropped by his range. I'll do some research - as I recall they are about twice as expensive over here in the UK! MudBall, Almost as effective, and A LOT cheaper is to take an alignment rod and stick it through the grip of your club. This side traces the line when the butt of the club is pointed in that direction. The sweet spot is perfect for pointing at the base line when the head is towards the target. I'm maybe a little (a lot?) nerdy, but I love this picture of YODA working with me on my plane using this method. look, LOOK, LOOK Kevin Attachments:
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Post by hitman119 on Jan 25, 2010 10:54:36 GMT -5
Nice pic! We all have a little golf nerd in us.
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Post by nyclagster on Jan 25, 2010 15:48:26 GMT -5
This move is motivated by a proper pivot. It also ties in to the notion of the left shoulder going back, up and in through impact ( the right shoulder goes down, out and forward). It is a by product of proper "Pivot Thrust". Which relates to what" I" believe is the proper release of the #4 accumulator. Watch McHatton student James Ramsey alongside Paul Smith aka Guru on iseek. Note the action through and after impact. No overacceleration I will do a post on this on my blog Ralph I really like that video! I would think those after impact pivot thoughts would tie well to 4-barrel hitting as well as swinging? Thanks, Kevin Yes Kevin that Pivot Thrust is a big part of Lag's teachings. It is a definitely a Staple of Doyle/McHatton . Ralph
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Post by hitman119 on Jan 25, 2010 18:26:20 GMT -5
That is an interesting video. I would to see more.
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Post by joec on Jan 27, 2010 13:10:04 GMT -5
does horizontal hinging really exist?
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Post by kevcarter on Jan 27, 2010 13:47:02 GMT -5
does horizontal hinging really exist? I don't think anybody is saying HH doesn't exist. The new thinking is just saying it has no effect on the ball from impact through separation. My opinion is that it very well may have been an influence in the old days. The great players always talked about the softer balata balls staying on the face longer. The "feel" of HH is very real IMHO, but another example of modern technology finishing the story for us. Kevin
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jan 27, 2010 16:13:08 GMT -5
Manzella says HH does not exist. I asked him about that and according to him he says that all 6* 3-D data shows that no golfer has the clubhead perfectly vertical to the ground when they hinge.
I didn't ask him any further, but it sounds like basically everybody Angle Hinges to some degree and then those who have the HH type 'look', they are probably letting the clubface close more, but the club doesn't get 90* vertical to the ground.
3JACK
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Post by kevcarter on Jan 27, 2010 16:23:08 GMT -5
Manzella says HH does not exist. I asked him about that and according to him he says that all 6* 3-D data shows that no golfer has the clubhead perfectly vertical to the ground when they hinge. I didn't ask him any further, but it sounds like basically everybody Angle Hinges to some degree and then those who have the HH type 'look', they are probably letting the clubface close more, but the club doesn't get 90* vertical to the ground. 3JACK Interesting. Apologies for mis-speaking in my response. Kevin
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Post by dodger on Jan 28, 2010 15:03:02 GMT -5
One issue I have been working on in my takeaway is my tendency towards pop-out. My hands go away from my body, and the club gets laid off easily. I also think downswing popout is possible, ie the moving out of the hands to the target line after impact, causing chicken wings, blocks, thin shots, quackers and all kind of bad stuff. I have often felt my swing is more effective when my left arm folds quickly left after impact. Denny Alberts, an instructor in Tucson has a website where he discusses this action of the left arm in conjunction with a release of the hips to the target. My point in terms of this topic is that in a hands controlled pivot, the action of the hands and arms left after impact open the body. If the hands pop out after impact, it takes a conscious effort to clear the body, usually the pivot stops to allow the club to try to move left, which usually occurs with a flip. Any thoughts? I do like the hands controlled pivot, but believe it is as important on the downswing as the backswing.
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Post by gmbtempe on Jan 28, 2010 15:16:42 GMT -5
One issue I have been working on in my takeaway is my tendency towards pop-out. My hands go away from my body, and the club gets laid off easily. I also think downswing popout is possible, ie the moving out of the hands to the target line after impact, causing chicken wings, blocks, thin shots, quackers and all kind of bad stuff. I have often felt my swing is more effective when my left arm folds quickly left after impact. Denny Alberts, an instructor in Tucson has a website where he discusses this action of the left arm in conjunction with a release of the hips to the target. My point in terms of this topic is that in a hands controlled pivot, the action of the hands and arms left after impact open the body. If the hands pop out after impact, it takes a conscious effort to clear the body, usually the pivot stops to allow the club to try to move left, which usually occurs with a flip. Any thoughts? I do like the hands controlled pivot, but believe it is as important on the downswing as the backswing. I think these are good questions. As you know I will see him Friday and hopefully have a better understanding of the hands working left in relation to the body and release. I don't get the shoulders or hips open very well and it makes it harder to swing up the plane (left as we are discussing), when I asked Denny about this over the phone he made it sound like it was all related to compensations the body was making for backswing and downswing pivot motions. The body release from impact to finish must be something darome based because its also found in the SnT teachings, yet he told me he was not at all a SnT teacher (not saying negative, just that was not the pattern).
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