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Post by mudball on Jan 27, 2010 14:06:57 GMT -5
I consider myself an experienced golfer - but just a beginner with TGM. Tell me about pressure point #3 (the right index finger first joint)... I notice that when I stripe the ball well (OK rarely then  ) I can feel the shaft loading and lagging against this pressure point more than anything - really feel it on short shots and pitches as well as full shots. Generally in a short swing I feel it pretty much all the way through the swing with full shots it kicks it around the end of the transition - feels like when hands have dropped to about chest or just above waist high. The other day I went to the range and tried to feel it through the backswing and the entire downswing... I didn't have any video so I have no idea what it looked like - results were very very good... coupled with my new swinging left thoughts the ball flew really nicely. So question, in case my ramblings have gone on too much - why would I lose the feeling of the #3 PP in the backswing around the top of the backswing and why would it suit my swing to try and keep it and feel it through the whole swing? P.S. Results were predictable fade although I was able to drop right foot back close the face a little and with the same feeling (#3 PP through backswing and then into downswing) draw the ball. |
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jan 27, 2010 16:14:43 GMT -5
Do you have the pure ballstriker?
3JACK
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Post by mudball on Jan 27, 2010 17:44:36 GMT -5
Do you have the pure ballstriker? 3JACK No, but I am familiar with it? |
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Post by joec on Jan 29, 2010 13:57:09 GMT -5
his website is..............pure ball striker
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Post by mudball on Jan 29, 2010 14:33:18 GMT -5
I consider myself an experienced golfer - but just a beginner with TGM. Tell me about pressure point #3 (the right index finger first joint)... ...The other day I went to the range and tried to feel it through the backswing and the entire downswing... I didn't have any video so I have no idea what it looked like - results were very very good... coupled with my new swinging left thoughts the ball flew really nicely.... OK here's an update - went to the range today with video. Same result if I feel the pressure point 3 all the way back and through the swing I get good results... but I didn't know if this was shortening my swing... I took some video clips today and the bad news is that whilst I was really hitting the ball pretty well - I still looked like a loose wristed John Daly!! The wrists dip the club at the top and it goes way too long. I even tried what I thought were super short swings and you guessed it they'd have made Phil Mickelson look compact and tight! Goddamit! I am contemplating surgery to stop this over swinging - I shall look up on the internet a cheap Eastern European surgeon who can shorten my tendons or something! Yours, Loose wrists from Essex Any tips on gaining control at the top are appreciated - but believe me I've tried pretty much everything... |
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Post by kevcarter on Jan 29, 2010 15:04:29 GMT -5
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Post by joec on Jan 29, 2010 16:17:34 GMT -5
I consider myself an experienced golfer - but just a beginner with TGM. Tell me about pressure point #3 (the right index finger first joint)... ...The other day I went to the range and tried to feel it through the backswing and the entire downswing... I didn't have any video so I have no idea what it looked like - results were very very good... coupled with my new swinging left thoughts the ball flew really nicely.... OK here's an update - went to the range today with video. Same result if I feel the pressure point 3 all the way back and through the swing I get good results... but I didn't know if this was shortening my swing... I took some video clips today and the bad news is that whilst I was really hitting the ball pretty well - I still looked like a loose wristed John Daly!! The wrists dip the club at the top and it goes way too long. I even tried what I thought were super short swings and you guessed it they'd have made Phil Mickelson look compact and tight! Goddamit! I am contemplating surgery to stop this over swinging - I shall look up on the internet a cheap Eastern European surgeon who can shorten my tendons or something! Yours, Loose wrists from Essex Any tips on gaining control at the top are appreciated - but believe me I've tried pretty much everything... |
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Post by joec on Jan 29, 2010 16:23:19 GMT -5
mud, my boy........................are you a hitter or a swinger? that is the funniest post yet. loved it.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jan 29, 2010 16:54:23 GMT -5
Mud --- You may want to check out and buy the Pure Ball Striker training aid. It's designed so you can really sense the #3 PP throughout the swing. You can find it at www.pureballstriker.com/. Only costs $13 US dollars. Not sure what the shipping would be over to the UK. 3JACK |
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Post by mudball on Jan 29, 2010 18:31:10 GMT -5
mud, my boy........................are you a hitter or a swinger? that is the funniest post yet. loved it. Cheers I always thought I was a swinger... and if I work through the components I definetly have a lot that match. But my best form is definetly when I can feel PP#3 - I think I'm a switter  ) But my backswing just flops at the top - I don't feel I loosen the grip or particularly bend my left arm - I can see from video that the arms continue when shoulders stop. |
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Post by mudball on Jan 29, 2010 18:40:03 GMT -5
Mud --- You may want to check out and buy the Pure Ball Striker training aid. It's designed so you can really sense the #3 PP throughout the swing. You can find it at www.pureballstriker.com/. Only costs $13 US dollars. Not sure what the shipping would be over to the UK. 3JACK Yes I will - found a supplier - twitter buddy who sells them www.simonwilliamsgolf.co.uk/The_Pure_Ball_Striker/p194533_367472.aspxBut I was definetly mistaken - I thought by maintaining my PP#3 I was keeping the club shorter - but video told me otherwise today... So will still get PBS - but I think the top of the backswing needs sorting out - you know it's funny I can stand in front of a mirror all day hitting the right position but clearly lose it when hitting balls for real - frustrating golf in it! |
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 30, 2010 0:05:02 GMT -5
Mudball - you stated that your best results are when you sense a lot of "lag pressure sensation" at PP#3 at impact.
It could be because you are a switter - rather than a "pure" left arm swinger - and you are perhaps not releasing PA#4 with maximum efficiency. The faster one releases PA#4, and the faster and more efficient the centrifugal release of PA#2, the less lag pressure one will will be able to "sense" at PP3#3 at impact - for a given degree of isotonic right triceps muscle activity in the late downswing.
Jeff.
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Post by starretj on Jan 30, 2010 11:07:05 GMT -5
I would think that a swinger wouldn't feel much of pp#3 until right before and during impact. If you are only longitudinally accelerating the club head and you release acc #3 last, wouldn't pp#3 only feel lag pressure once acc #3 starts to roll?
Jeff can you explain this further, I don't understand.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Jan 30, 2010 13:40:48 GMT -5
starretj I think that a TGM swinger should optimally ensure that the right hand keeps up with the left hand throughout the entire downswing. That should allow him to constantly sense lag pressure at PP#3 throughout the entire downswing - presuming that he avoids clubhead throwaway. I also think that sensing lag pressure is not related to the release of PA#3, but rather the release of PA#2. Some swingers (like VJ Singh, Fred Couples, and Phil Mickelson) allow their trailing hand to travel slower than their lead hand in the late downswing and through impact, and they will therefore lose their ability to monitor lag pressure during their entire downswing (when their trailing hand loses close contact with the lead hand at PP#1). See Phil Mickleson (image reversed)  Jeff. |
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Post by starretj on Jan 30, 2010 21:15:13 GMT -5
Jeff, I don't believe that I can agree with any of your last post, however, I am not fluent in TGM, but from what little I have gathered I don't believe that you can be correct. A swinger rotates the left hand a quarter of a turn so that it is laying on the plane. From the top of the backswing, as long as you are pulling, then the force is not into the #3 pp. If you are feeling lag pressure at the #3 pp, you are pushing with your right hand, it is the only way possible.
I thought that the cocking motion of the left hand was vertical in relation to the left arm. I hope this is acc #2, but I am not sure so if I am incorrect just let me know. That motion is not into the #3 pp either.
I don't see how a swinger can feel lag pressure at pp#3 unless he is pushing with the right arm or starts rolling the clubface back to square.
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) I can feel the shaft loading and lagging against this pressure point more than anything - really feel it on short shots and pitches as well as full shots.
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