air
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Aug 26, 2010 19:44:58 GMT -5
Post by air on Aug 26, 2010 19:44:58 GMT -5
Do you think golfers can be divided into hitters and swingers? If so, I think I am a unsuccessful hitter. I come OTT and I think I lose my drive lag (or never have it) and get high, weak slices and I probably also flipp my left wrist at impact. Do think an impact fix address position would be a good idea? Any advice on how to maintain tha lag pressure and hit straigher shots? I know I should come from the inside in the downswing, but I seem to be stuck, always hitting from the top.
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Aug 26, 2010 19:48:14 GMT -5
Post by gmbtempe on Aug 26, 2010 19:48:14 GMT -5
need some kind of video, it would be a total guess and maybe 100 things that could be causing you to lose pressure.
I dont believe in just hitters or swingers, it seems to me one should pull the shaft down and then apply right arm force.
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Aug 26, 2010 19:48:30 GMT -5
Post by cloran on Aug 26, 2010 19:48:30 GMT -5
Um... not sure where to begin.
Post a video so we can see what you think you're doing.
Edit: Greg apparently beat me by 2 seconds, lol.... so I'll just add:
Keep your head down.
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air
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Aug 26, 2010 19:52:05 GMT -5
Post by air on Aug 26, 2010 19:52:05 GMT -5
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Aug 26, 2010 19:58:59 GMT -5
Post by cloran on Aug 26, 2010 19:58:59 GMT -5
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Aug 26, 2010 20:02:31 GMT -5
Post by cloran on Aug 26, 2010 20:02:31 GMT -5
You're right.... you do come OTT, etc.
I'd find a local professional to get you going in the right direction, but if you let us know where you live we can maybe point you in a direction.
In the mean time you can look up tons of stuff on youtube. Check out "clemshaw" (Shawn Clement). He can get you "feeling" some good movements.
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Aug 26, 2010 20:05:55 GMT -5
Post by gmbtempe on Aug 26, 2010 20:05:55 GMT -5
I would be shocked if you are a hitter as TGM would describe with that motion, pretty hard to have force against the shaft with the right arm when the swing is that long.
I am no instructor but you have pivot issues. Your hips are over rotating because mentally you want to make this giant long backswing, then you have to really accelerate the club early trying to get it to catch up by the time impact comes around which it over accelerates and you dump it and lose you pressure.
The hips up about 35-50 degrees, yours are darn near 90 degrees. Your shoulders get to maybe 110 degrees. You need to work on your knee and hip action, shorten that swing big time. I have no problem with long swings as long as you can maintain pp#3.
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air
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Aug 26, 2010 20:08:15 GMT -5
Post by air on Aug 26, 2010 20:08:15 GMT -5
I'm almost embassered to say it - but I have had lessons for at least 15 of the last 20 years, without any breakthru. Now I was hoping that TGM stuff could give me a new start. I live in Norway and it's Friday 03.08. Good night.
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Aug 26, 2010 20:17:33 GMT -5
Post by gmbtempe on Aug 26, 2010 20:17:33 GMT -5
I'm almost embassered to say it - but I have had lessons for at least 15 of the last 20 years, without any breakthru. Now I was hoping that TGM stuff could give me a new start. I live in Norway and it's Friday 03.08. Good night. You make a decent pass through the ball, keep working on it. TGM has great information. Like Cloran said Shawn Clement has some great pivot videos. Here is a video by one of his associates
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Aug 26, 2010 20:32:45 GMT -5
Post by cloran on Aug 26, 2010 20:32:45 GMT -5
If you can find a TGM instructor in Norway that would be perfect, but going it alone may prove more frustrating than liberating. TGM isn't a pattern itself.
If you don't have an instructor locally that can get you into a pattern you'd like then I'd start with Shawn Clement's stuff or one of the many other great instructors here.
I'd bet Iteach could get you in a better impact position inside of 30 minutes.
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Aug 28, 2010 10:02:37 GMT -5
Post by imperfectgolfer on Aug 28, 2010 10:02:37 GMT -5
Air, I think that you need to understand the fundamental differences between hitting and swinging, so that you can decide whether to be a hitter or swinger. See - perfectgolfswingreview.net/power.htmHere is summary of the major differences - from a TGM perspective. Swingers versus Hitters * Pull vs Push * Longitudinal Acceleration vs Radial Acceleration * Rope Handle vs Axe Handle * Centrifugal Force vs Muscular Thrust * Whirl back vs Muscular Carry back * Quick vs Strong * Stretched Muscles vs Contracted Muscles * Loose vs Stiff * Pitch Basic Stroke vs Punch Basic Stroke * Spin vs Drive * Right Shoulder Flywheel vs Right Shoulder Backstop (Launching Pad) * Pivot Thrust (Momentum transfer) vs Power Package Thrust * End vs Top * Top Arc vs Straight Line * Quick Start Down vs Slow Start Down * PP#3 Top Side vs PP#3 Aft Side * Standard Wrist Action vs Single Wrist Action * Sequenced Release vs Simultaneous Release * Wrist Action vs Hand Motion * Drag Loading vs Drive Loading * Throw Out vs Drive Out * Start up and release Swivel vs No Swivel (except after Follow Through) * Wrist Throw vs Right Arm Throw * Arc of Approach vs Angle of Approach * Wheel Rim vs Wheel Track * Horizontal Hinging vs Angled Hinging * Full Roll Feel vs No Roll Feel * On-Line vs Cross Line * Plane Line Rotation vs Grip Rotation * Soft hands vs (Relatively) Firmer hands * Standard Address vs Fix Address * Accumulator #4 vs Accumulator #1 * Physics vs Geometry * Let it happen vs Make it happen Jeff.
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Aug 28, 2010 10:31:15 GMT -5
Post by air on Aug 28, 2010 10:31:15 GMT -5
Thx. The reason I'm playing with the thought that I am a hitter is because I always have had an urge to hit at the ball, but that can probably come from bad swinger mistakes as well as bad hitter mistakes. I probably lose my lag, coming OTT and flipping thru impact, so there are lots of stuff to deal with. I'll study the list and the link - (are you the Mann?)
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Aug 28, 2010 13:35:16 GMT -5
Post by imperfectgolfer on Aug 28, 2010 13:35:16 GMT -5
Air,
The urge to hit fits in better with hitters, but you would have to totally change your swing style to develop a hitter's action.
At present, you have a very problematic backswing pivot action - you rotate your pelvis too much, and more importantly, you stand up at the end-backswing and lose your spine angle. You need to correct those problems if you want to be swinger (or a hitter).
Jeff Mann.
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air
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Aug 28, 2010 14:41:33 GMT -5
Post by air on Aug 28, 2010 14:41:33 GMT -5
Well, I know what doesn't work although I have tried to get a better swing the last 20 years. Therefore a complete makeover is perhaps a good idea - and a shorter more compact swing is probably a good idea in any case. Thx for your input.
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