Are We Nuts?

[kevcarter]

Laughing, but maybe it's not that funny. Man, looking at all the swing forums I follow, my head is spinning. There are so many great ideas out there, but I think we are losing sight of what's important:

Shoot lower scores
Have some fun

There is what is known as a lot of "Show Biz" out there.

I want to go back to focusing on the simplicity that got me back into golf. The closest model for me is Appleby, with a set up like Gay or Stricker with my on plane right forearm. One of the last things Homer said before he passed:

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STARTING OVER WITH G.O.L.F.
HOMER KELLEY

"If I were starting to play golf, this is what I would concentrate on. It's what it all boils down to. It's even simpler than The Triad."

• At Fix, establish your Flat, Level and Vertical Left Wrist and your On Plane Right Forearm Angle of Approach (7-3).
• At Start Up, take your Hands Up, Back, and In on the Plane of your Right Forearm.
• Through Impact, return to the Fix Hand Location and the established Right Forearm Angle of Approach.

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From that foundation, focus on the imperatives and essentials while monitoring the pressure points. Sounds simple, and it works for me. I'm not sure yet if this simplicity can totally work in with my teaching, but I believe anyone can master basic hitting no matter what their physical condition. As players get more advanced, they add Power Accumulators until we get to 4 Barrel Hitting.

OK, I fully expect to get torn to shreds, but right now, this is my ideal. SIMPLICITY.

Kevin

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[imperfectgolfer]

Kevin,

What you are basically describing is TGM-hitting, which is much simpler than TGM swinging.

I would highly recommend that swing approach for most golfers.

That approach is the basis for my very simple "clap hand" biomechanical approach, which I described in this review paper

perfectgolfswingreview.net/arm.htm

Jeff.

p.s. Could you please e-mail me at [e-mail] about a private matter.

[kevcarter]

Feb 1, 2010 10:22:50 GMT -5 imperfectgolfer said:

Kevin,

What you are basically describing is TGM-hitting, which is much simpler than TGM swinging.

I would highly recommend that swing approach for most golfers.

Jeff.

p.s. Could you please e-mail me at [e-mail] about a private matter.

I continue to learn a lot about Appleby's action from your website. Fantastic information!

Kevin

[dodger]

Good point Kevin. Nice thread!

[cloran]

To answer your question: Yes. We are nuts... well, at least I am! I'm freaking certifiable!! I follow way too many blogs and belong to too many foroums. I can easliy jump between 6 or 7 variations of a swing during a 1hr range session. Moe Normanesque -to- Manzella Soft Draw -to- Slicefixer Rotary -to- Don Trahan Peak Performance -to- God knows what!! Keeping it simple would be great... if I could just figure out how, lol!

[gmbtempe]

Feb 1, 2010 15:45:16 GMT -5 cloran said:

To answer your question: Yes. We are nuts... well, at least I am! I'm freaking certifiable!! I follow way too many blogs and belong to too many foroums. I can easliy jump between 6 or 7 variations of a swing during a 1hr range session. Moe Normanesque -to- Manzella Soft Draw -to- Slicefixer Rotary -to- Don Trahan Peak Performance -to- God knows what!! Keeping it simple would be great... if I could just figure out how, lol!

God does that sound familiar

I would say whenever you start researching something, and lets be realistic the golf swing has hundreds of variations, isn't it best to experiment through trial and error? It might be a sad statement on instruction but these blogs often have people with a better understanding of the golf swing than some cookie cutter professionals.

[mudball]

Well of course we are - but we're having fun aren't we...? Aren't we?!

John Jacobs said (something like) in it's simplest form the golf swing is two turns and a swish.

Linking in nicely with the other question on this great forum - What was Hogan's secret... read this by NYC Lagster gothamgolfblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/some-pics-and-random-article.html

Here there is an interview with the man himself and he says "He (Hogan) said he started winning major championships because he stopped being so mechanically minded on the course and began playing by "feel" and trusting his golf swing."

Easy for you to say Ben - you had excellent mechanics... now just got to go and try that new swing "Stack and Rip It" or was it "D Plane hitting"... whatever...

[kevcarter]

Feb 1, 2010 15:45:16 GMT -5 cloran said:

To answer your question: Yes. We are nuts... well, at least I am! I'm freaking certifiable!! I follow way too many blogs and belong to too many foroums. I can easliy jump between 6 or 7 variations of a swing during a 1hr range session. Moe Normanesque -to- Manzella Soft Draw -to- Slicefixer Rotary -to- Don Trahan Peak Performance -to- God knows what!! Keeping it simple would be great... if I could just figure out how, lol!

What are you guys talking about.

I've seen you and Greg switch 7 or 8 patterns during a post! ;D ;D

Kevin

[joec]

jeff, i thought homer said it was easier to swing. whly do you think hitting is easier?

[imperfectgolfer]

Joe

I definitely think that TGM hitting is a much simpler technique. A TGM hitter mainly has to learn how to move the right upper limb in space. Also, a TGM hitter is drive-loading the club into impact and there is far less of a problem timing the club release. A TGM swinger has to learn how to optimise the club release phenomenon (control the centrifugal release phenomenon with perfect timing). A TGM swinger also has to use a takeaway swivel action, release swivel action and blend it with a horizontal hinging action. In that sense, there are more moving parts. Finally, a left arm swinger, who uses a pivot-action to power the release of PA#4, needs to perform the pivot action flawlessly. By contrast, a TGM hitter can use an active pivot action or a reactive pivot action - because he primarily needs to use the pivot action to move the right shoulder closer to the ball so that he doesn't run-of-right arm when he releases PA#1.

Jeff.

[Richie3Jack]

I agree with a lot that is said here. The other day I was asked about my statement behind 'golfers focus way too much on their backswing' and I went to the range and secretly took a chart of the golfers on the range.

There were 41 golfers that were actually working on something in their swing. Out of those 41 golfers, 34 of them were clearly working on their backswing only! There were 5 golfers working on both their backswing and downswing. And only 2 golfers working on the downswing. The only big flaw of this study, besides not asking specifically what they were working on, was that I didn't watch their entire time on the range so they may have worked on some other things I wasn't aware about. This was about 3 hours on the range (and the range was packed).

The only thing I would also recommend is keeping the #4 PP in tact, regardless if you are a 'swinger' or a 'hitter.'




3JACK

[kevcarter]

I was told today the pattern I am using is what an instructor teaches beginners at their very first golf lesson, then they move on from there into a real golf swing.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[joec]

Feb 1, 2010 20:06:39 GMT -5 kevcarter said:

I was told today the pattern I am using is what an instructor teaches beginners at their very first golf lesson, then they move on from there into a real golf swing.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

that is great. keep hanging around learned people and lyou can stop doing the basic drill in the spring. good luck.

[Richie3Jack]

Brian Gay is quite good for a guy learning a 'beginner's swing.'




3JACK