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Post by cwdlaw223 on Sept 18, 2010 18:45:33 GMT -5
Does a more upright putter (ex. 75*+) work better with a SBST stroke? I putt well with my SBST stroke on a 70* lie angle putter.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 18, 2010 20:57:39 GMT -5
Chances are your stroke isn't nearly as SBST as you think. If you measured it on a SAM Puttlab it will probably show a decent inside-square-inside arc or a outside-square-inside path.
But yes, the SBST stroke works better with more upright lie angle putters because the flatter the lie angle, the more you have to manipulate a SBST stroke with your hands.
3JACK
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Post by jonnygrouville on Sept 18, 2010 22:11:46 GMT -5
I agree with Richie that a pure straight-back-straight-through stroke may not be entirely accurate, but a more straight-back stroke is definitely different from a traditional swing-door stroke.
The more straight-back kind of stroke will work best with your eyes over the ball and your hands below your shoulders. Whatever lie angle fits with this should be good.
I'd also recommend trying some centre-shafted putters, slightly shorter and with fatter grips.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 19, 2010 10:06:48 GMT -5
jonny, the eyes directly over the ball stuff is crap. You just want your eyes to be pointing (looking) in the same direction your face is directed in.
3JACK
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Post by jonnygrouville on Sept 19, 2010 20:50:38 GMT -5
Sorry Richie. I don't get that. Please can you explain.
For a more traditional stroke, I've never found it matters that much. Can mess up which way you 'feel' you are aiming though...
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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 19, 2010 21:14:06 GMT -5
It's like taking your address position with say a driver. You don't want to have your chin up and look down with your eyes. You want the eyes looking in the same direction as where your face is pointing.
3JACK
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Post by jonnygrouville on Sept 19, 2010 22:31:59 GMT -5
I'm with you 100% on that Richie. I remember having lessons getting me to get my chin up and 'look down my nose' at the ball. Now that is crap.
Afraid I don't get it for putting though. Are you saying that to have you eyes over the target-line and looking straight out of your face, you would need your face parallel to the ground? Anything else is 'looking down your nose' at it?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Sept 20, 2010 9:59:34 GMT -5
Take a look at Tiger here  He's looking downward with his eyes and his eyes a 'directly over the ball.' However, his face is pointing in a direction about a couple feet outside of the ball. Tiger either needs to: 1. Tilt his neck down more so his face and eyes are pointing in the same direction. 2. Get further away from the ball so his face and eyes are pointing in the same direction. 3JACK |
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Post by jonnygrouville on Sept 20, 2010 23:08:27 GMT -5
I take option 1 and tilt my head down. I see what you are getting at now.
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Post by cloran on Jan 28, 2011 12:00:11 GMT -5
I've tried many putter strokes, clubs, styles, etc... what works for me is one that blends EVERYTHING, lol. A bit of an arc stroke with a face balanced putter. Here's why: I'm am most comfortable, and make the most consistent strokes with a 32.5" or 33" putter. A shorter putter works well for SBST type strokes IF you set up with higher hands (see: conventional), but I can't. I like to keep my hands low. This means I have to drop the lie angle on my putters or risk pulling everything with the toe in the air. Keeping my hands low however doesn't bode well for a SBST stroke, it fits more of an arc stroke... But I can't use putters with toe hang because I get too handsy. I've tried 8802 style, Anser style, plumbers neck, and every combination there of. What works for me is a face balanced putter. Either center shafted, swan neck, or long plumbers work. I also prefer mallets for increaed MOI, but that's another story. So, I have a face balanced putter with an arc stroke. I don't FEEL like I have to square the face as much anymore, but I can't swing the club straight back either. I thought I was going SBST when I first started experimenting, but these videos tell another tale. Now I just accept the fact that I'm a lunatic and can't fit in.  |
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Post by dhc1 on Jan 28, 2011 15:57:36 GMT -5
doesn't mangum say that the eyes looking directly out of the head is only important when you are trying to get the line. i just listened to his video on the subway this morning (love the iphone) and it said that once you have the line (by matching your eyes to your face), you can go back to any position you want.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Jan 28, 2011 20:00:10 GMT -5
I'll have to investigate more.
3JACK
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Post by mchepp on Jan 28, 2011 20:06:52 GMT -5
doesn't mangum say that the eyes looking directly out of the head is only important when you are trying to get the line. i just listened to his video on the subway this morning (love the iphone) and it said that once you have the line (by matching your eyes to your face), you can go back to any position you want. Geoff did say this or at least seems to say this in the Reality of Putting. I am not totally sure he understands Elk's question. In the book there is no mention of this. It seemed that he would want exactly what Richie describes, but in the video he did say that. So consider me confused...... |
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