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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 4, 2010 18:57:59 GMT -5
tball
I gained about 20 yards and better accuracy.
I simply cut the graphite shaft 2" shorter with a hacksaw.
I cannot detect a significant change in "feel" regarding its flex characteristics.
Optimally, I presume that it is better to have a custom fitting. However, I'm not an equipment fanatic.
Jeff.
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Post by mudball on Feb 5, 2010 3:15:15 GMT -5
... .....graphite shaft, can you actually cut it, or do you need to completely replace the shaft? ... if you go to a shorter shaft, do you need to change the flex? tball88, I did a lot of searching on the internet last night. There are some urban myths out there. The theory you will hear is shortening the shaft makes it less flexible - some guy did tests with a specific driver shaft - he cut the shaft three times and shortened it an inch or so each time - then checked flex using frequency analyser for shaft flex - all about the same! If you shorten the club - you effectively make it 'feel' lighter (swing Weight) the actual weight reduction is small (you can imagine how much 2 inches of graphite shaft weighs...? But because the shaft is shorter and your hands are closer to the clubhead (if you remember those hazy days at school and in the physics class... fulcrums/levers etc) it feels lighter. What you can then do is add weight to the head. But you have to add quite a bit to make up the difference - so you can imagine a lot of lead tape all over the back of your driver... not ideal. Another solution is to fit a lightweight grip to the club this takes weight from one end and re-positions the balancing point of the shaft thus making the head 'feel' heavier. Now getting back to shaft flex... if you do add lead tape to your clubhead to offset the swing weight reduction then this does tend to make the shaft flex more and feel more flexible... so this is something to be aware of. So I am thinking - hacksaw the end of my Ping G10 and then fit a light weight grip or at least one slightly lighter than my current grip (Golf Pride cord) give it a try and see how it goes. I'll give it a go today and let you know if it works or not for me over the weekend - I'm playing in a comp Sunday and I'll get it in play for then. If you are worried about ruining your club - then you could always buy a cheap old driver on eBay and play around with that... Dave |
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Feb 5, 2010 10:16:04 GMT -5
Dave,
I found that the difference in swingweight after cutting 2" off my driver was negligible - I soon got used to the difference. I have since cut 2" off all my long iron hybrids (2,3 and 4 irons) - my wrist crease-to-ground distance is about 32".
I don't think that you need to use a lighter grip.
Remember that you can always restore the length of your driver by inserting those plastic pieces, which are used to lengthen clubs.
Take care cutting the graphite shaft - so that you get a square cut without splintering the end of the shaft.
Jeff.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Feb 5, 2010 10:36:00 GMT -5
I think it depends where you cut it. If you cut the shaft from the tip, it becomes stiffer. When a golfer has a shaft like a 'X100 tipped 1/4", they are making the shaft the appropriate lenght, but cutting from the tip and that makes it much stiffer.
3JACK
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Post by kevcarter on Feb 5, 2010 10:36:30 GMT -5
Dave, I found that the difference in swingweight after cutting 2" off my driver was negligible - I soon got used to the difference. I have since cut 2" off all my long iron hybrids (2,3 and 4 irons) - my wrist crease-to-ground distance is about 32". I don't think that you need to use a lighter grip. Remember that you can always restore the length of your driver by inserting those plastic pieces, which are used to lengthen clubs. Take care cutting the graphite shaft - so that you get a square cut without splintering the end of the shaft. Jeff. Wow, you should lose 6 swing weight points per inch. So cutting 2" off a driver that is D2 makes it C0. Unplayable in my mind. I'm not sure what I'm missing??? Kevin |
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Post by Richie3Jack on Feb 5, 2010 11:31:58 GMT -5
Wow, you should lose 6 swing weight points per inch. So cutting 2" off a driver that is D2 makes it C0. Unplayable in my mind. I'm not sure what I'm missing??? Kevin Better get out the lead tape. 3JACK |
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Post by pavaveda on Feb 5, 2010 16:45:58 GMT -5
To get back on topic...  The thing I like most about TGM is that it has given us a more precise way to discuss golf. It doesn't go to the biomechanical level as much as some people would like, I'm sure. And that's probably why TGM, Inc. also sells that biomechanics book. But, other than that, I think that the effort that HK put into giving each concept a precise name is invaluable. When everyone is using the same terminology, ideas and concepts can be communicated more clearly and more quickly. |
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Post by mudball on Feb 5, 2010 18:09:04 GMT -5
To get back on topic... The thing I like most about TGM is that it has given us a more precise way to discuss golf. It doesn't go to the biomechanical level as much as some people would like, I'm sure. And that's probably why TGM, Inc. also sells that biomechanics book. But, other than that, I think that the effort that HK put into giving each concept a precise name is invaluable. When everyone is using the same terminology, ideas and concepts can be communicated more clearly and more quickly. Pavaveda, I struggle with the writing style used - but - you are right it is easy for people to use the same language. I was on twitter the other day and there was a discussion about width... simple term eh? No - we had a number of interpretations of what width meant! In my line of business we have to create standards so that we can communicate and make systems talk to each other. What frustrates me about a lot of golf instruction is the language is very loose and it's not clear. When I raised this on Twitter in that discussion - one Pro explained that some people use language which is unique and perhaps a phrase that sounds odd so it sticks out and is associated with them - so they can brand the feeling they are talking about. Homer did this more successfully I think  |
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Post by tball88 on Feb 5, 2010 18:30:08 GMT -5
I personally am a huge fan of The Golfing Machine and feel that Homer Kelly was way ahead of his time. I recognize that not everything in the book is gospal, but I do get angry at those who like to point out the faults rather than recognize the amount of great material that he identified and catagorized. It's amazing to me, how many people who never have written a book or really studied the swing in depth like to take shots at him. I guess it's real easy to sit on the sidelines and take shots at those who actually get in the game.
On the flip side, I'm not sure I truly believe in hitting and swinging. I believe that those are each far extremes and 90% of the people are somewhere in the middle. I like to think of myself as a rightside powered swinger.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Feb 5, 2010 22:06:21 GMT -5
I agree tball88. Especially with the hitting and swinging. They say that in 'swinging' you don't use the right arm to power the swing. But I can't believe that there is zero right arm participation in swinging unless you are an amputee with no use of the other arm.
3JACK
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