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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 11, 2010 23:22:40 GMT -5
I know there is some serious players out there that have played newer Mizuno's and looking for any feedback.
I have never actually custom ordered a set of clubs even though I know a thing or two about the process.
Right now Mizuno is offering 50% extra trade on your current irons, and I can get 20% more off by signing up for my next year of PGA Tour Superstore membership for $100 and its up in a week. So a new $900 dollar set of clubs I can get out the door for about $550 after trade of my X-22's.
The reason I am going back to Mizuno is while I love the performance of the X-22 Tours they just offer nothing in the lines of feel or playablilty. Its very tough to work shots but man you get lots of play on your misses. I am getting to the point though were thats not all that big a deal, I hit it solid most of the time. Also I have played about 5-6 iron sets the past couple years and the best feeling were my MP57's but the offset in them bothered me.
So I did the Mizuno Shaft Optimizer for the first time. I was shocked at the offererings it suggested. Currently I hit Rifle 6.0's which is a solid stiff shaft. I hit three real solid shots and it recommended the following shafts.
Rifle 5.0 115g
Dynalite XP Regular 117
KBS Tour Softstepped once 120g
I assume this is not only a swingspeed deal but a shaft kick and release point deal because I can get my irons out there pretty good.
I hit three irons, the MP53, MP63 and MP68.
The hands down winner in terms of feel and performance was the MP63. It has a similar profile to the MP68 but it has just the smallest cavity in them. I hit it much higher than the 68, and higher than the 53. I think it gives me some performance of a players club yet some forgiveness if the shot is not perfect.
These shafts have slightly lower weights than I am used to, will the swingweights be light because of this? Can I custom order the swingweights?
Any experience with the KBS shafts? I heard they were pretty stout shafts.
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Post by slalomdude on Dec 12, 2010 7:59:12 GMT -5
Can I assume that the KBS recommendation was a regular. Do you have the numbers from the Optimizer ?
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Post by jonnygrouville on Dec 12, 2010 8:27:53 GMT -5
I think this is a great idea. All of those irons look nice and I've played Mizunos (on an off with the odd cavity backs when my striking has disintegrated) for seventeen years.
Can't help with the shaft stuff though, I'm afraid.
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 12, 2010 12:50:27 GMT -5
Can I assume that the KBS recommendation was a regular. Do you have the numbers from the Optimizer ? It was a stiff and soft stepped which has as I understand them makes them in between a regular and a stiff. I did not get the numbers, they were on the screen but did not write them down, only thing I remember was the SS which was 82 average. I am going to do it again on Tues at the other PGA store in town and will write it down. I want to then hit the shafts out of the cart (just will use KBS stiff). I dont have to decide till xmas because I expect to get some gift cards from the store. |
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Post by slalomdude on Dec 12, 2010 16:35:25 GMT -5
Can I assume that the KBS recommendation was a regular. Do you have the numbers from the Optimizer ? It was a stiff and soft stepped which has as I understand them makes them in between a regular and a stiff. I did not get the numbers, they were on the screen but did not write them down, only thing I remember was the SS which was 82 average. I am going to do it again on Tues at the other PGA store in town and will write it down. I want to then hit the shafts out of the cart (just will use KBS stiff). I dont have to decide till xmas because I expect to get some gift cards from the store. Well something doesn't seem right. I tried it last Spring and my average was 82. It recommended, KBS stiff, XP stiff both softstepped , and also Nippon stiff. I did not see the Rifle recommendation. I cannot understand how it recommended regular shafts and KBS stiff ssx1. The KBS is a pretty stout shaft, its cpm is close to a rifle 6.0 but due to its design feels closer to a 5.5. When I spoke to KBS, they suggested SSx2 or even regular based on my SS. He said too many people play the shaft too stiff and find they loose distance. Anyway, I ordered a set of Ping i15's with the KBS stiff ssx1. You have mentioned that you hit a 5 iron 190, I would therefore question your swingspeed of 82 with a 6 iron, as my 5 iron is about 170 max. Something doesnt really add up here. See if you can ask them to print out the results on your next fitting. |
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 12, 2010 18:43:35 GMT -5
It was a stiff and soft stepped which has as I understand them makes them in between a regular and a stiff. I did not get the numbers, they were on the screen but did not write them down, only thing I remember was the SS which was 82 average. I am going to do it again on Tues at the other PGA store in town and will write it down. I want to then hit the shafts out of the cart (just will use KBS stiff). I dont have to decide till xmas because I expect to get some gift cards from the store. Well something doesn't seem right. I tried it last Spring and my average was 82. It recommended, KBS stiff, XP stiff both softstepped , and also Nippon stiff. I did not see the Rifle recommendation. I cannot understand how it recommended regular shafts and KBS stiff ssx1. The KBS is a pretty stout shaft, its cpm is close to a rifle 6.0 but due to its design feels closer to a 5.5. When I spoke to KBS, they suggested SSx2 or even regular based on my SS. He said too many people play the shaft too stiff and find they loose distance. Anyway, I ordered a set of Ping i15's with the KBS stiff ssx1. You have mentioned that you hit a 5 iron 190, I would therefore question your swingspeed of 82 with a 6 iron, as my 5 iron is about 170 max. Something doesnt really add up here. See if you can ask them to print out the results on your next fitting. I went back again and did it today.....first I just hit the practice bay hitting the 53, 63 and 68 along my with X22 6.0's. I hit all the same distance other than the 68 as it was not getting enough height. All three had S300 shafts. The 63 just feels like a special club. I did the optimizer again and the four shafts it recommended were the rifle 5.0, 5.0 project x, the SL XP true temper regular and the KBS stiff soft stepped. The fitter decided to do the KBS regular because they obviously cant test a soft stepped shaft. The KBS and the regular Rifle's were the least impressive as far as numbers. I hit the Project X and SL XP the best, the SL XP had the best feel. The fitter asked some good questions, he commented that with a pretty good swing the stiffness of the shaft might not affect distance and much as it affects the height of the shot, I hit it low and he said in that case if your going to error then a lighter softer flex is not a bad option. Is this accurate? I was concerned that the lightness of the shaft would make the clubs to light and was surprised to realize that they have different head weights to compensate for the shaft weight, and that they should come out to the Mizuno specs listed. Shows you what I know. I will hit them again to compare. I did start getting tired at the end and hit some really crap healed shots. |
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Post by Richie3Jack on Dec 12, 2010 21:22:32 GMT -5
It doesn't quite surprise me that you require weaker shafts given where your hands are at P6. I always suggest re-shafting something like a 6-iron head from a set you don't use and see how that goes.
3JACK
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 12, 2010 23:00:11 GMT -5
Richie, you seem to know the most about this stuff here,
Am is it correct that if you order lighter shafts that the heads they use are heavier so that the clubs come out with the correct swing weights?
This would also work in reverse, say you bought a set of clubs on the net and then put a lighter shaft in it then you are going to have swing weight issues?
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Post by Richie3Jack on Dec 13, 2010 0:11:11 GMT -5
Richie, you seem to know the most about this stuff here, Am is it correct that if you order lighter shafts that the heads they use are heavier so that the clubs come out with the correct swing weights? I know they used to do that back in the 90's when graphite shafts in irons were becoming somewhat en vogue. I have no idea whether or not that is true now. I'd have to ask around. I honestly don't think there would be much of a difference or something you couldn't work around if you went from Dynamic Gold to KBS or Project X. We're talking about 7 to 12 grams or so. That's about 1 swingweight point. The Nippons are usually around 90 to 100 mg's. So going from DG to those is about 27-37 grams, which is about 3 to 4 swingweight points. I kinda like the KBS although the launch angle may be too high. They feel much stiffer on the tip end, but not overly stiff. I think they make a good shaft 3JACK |
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Post by gmbtempe on Dec 15, 2010 10:47:58 GMT -5
Glad I went back last night, better fitter, knew the process more.
The swing analyzer recommded the same 4 shafts but the fitter said only two of them to him were realistic options, the Project X or the KBS tour.
It was funny I told him I was hitting the 63's higher, he said nobody hits the 63's higher than than the 53's....but I did it with both shafts so he said he cant make that claim. I told him that the 63's were a better design, maybe not quite as forgiving but on solid contact I thought it was not even close.
The KBS worked best. I hit the stiff better than the regular but we agreed to follow Mizuno's fitting and softstep the shaft once for a slightly less than stiff flex.
So in a week or so will have a new set of 63's. I went standard on the lies, it recommended upright but I don't trust it, I know my swing pretty well. I don't want to go flat playing on the TSP like I have been but not going to be 2 degrees upright.
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