Post by Richie3Jack on Feb 12, 2010 19:21:06 GMT -5
I wanted to create a thread based on Trackman experiences and anybody who has possible Trackman reports handy so we can analyze them. Those who want to discuss D-Plane and 'new ball flight laws' can continue to post that in the Golf Swing folder...it doesn't have to be here.
I've used Trackman twice. I used it once when trying out a 3-wood as a local pro had just bought and wanted me to try it, but since has moved to Florida. I then used it when I was getting fit for my Mizuno MP-62 irons.
I think it's an amazing tool, although I don't think it's the be all end all. There is some margin for error in their results, even with the clubhead dimensions and I believe it actually has to use algorithms to determine the face angle, which really doesn't bother me.
I think it's an excellent teaching tool, but I also think that the 6* 3D motion tools are great as well because they can give some numbers that Trackman cannot.
As a fitting tool, I think it's good because of it's accuracy and you can use it outdoors. I think it's best at fitting drivers and determining 'yardage gaps' for the clubs. I thought the latest Trackman newsletter made a decent argument for golfers getting the same yardage gap for all clubs from Driver thru LW.
The logic was this:
- Average Driver Carry PGA Tour = 269
- Average LW Carry PGA Tour = 77 yards
- Average Carry Driver 269 - Avg. LW Carry 77 = 192
- 192/12 = 16 yard gap between clubs
Although I can see some problems with this logic. Say a golfer gets more towards 290 degrees carry then we are expecting him to carry his 3-wood 275 yards or so. Tough to do. Then by the time he gets to his 4-iron, the expected carry is close to 220-230 yards. Again, tough to do.
Plus, while we can carry a LW 77 yards, it's really a club that isn't used a lot on full swings and instead used for flops, bunkers, some pitches and some chips.
Instead I think a better way to go might be from 3-wood to SW carry.
Let's say that we go with the PGA Tour Average of 243 yards carry with the 3-wood. And then I'll guestimate at 105 yards carry with the SW.
138 yards / 10 'gaps' = 13.8 gap yardage per club
So the gaps 'should' look more like this (all carry):
Driver - 270+
3-wood - 243
Hybrid - 229
3-iron - 215
4-iron - 201
5-iron - 186
6-iron - 172
7-iron - 158
8-iron - 144
9-iron - 130
PW - 116
SW - 105 (should be 102 but the actual gap is 13.8 yards
LW - 77 (remember, we probably don't care about LW carry since we don't use it for full shots that much)
For me, my carry distances are approximately 230 yards with a 3-wood and 92 with a SW. Plus, I carry a GW instead of a 3-iron.
230 - 90 = 140
140/10 = 14.0 yard gap
So my gaps 'should' look like this:
3-wood - 230 yards
3-hybrid - 216 yards
4-iron = 202 yards
5-iron = 188 yards
6-iron = 174 yards
7-iron = 160 yards
8-iron = 146 yards
9-iron = 132 yards
PW = 118 yards
GW= 104 yards
SW = 90 yards
Now looking at it, I'm pretty close to that. My 4-iron is a little off. My 5-iron is way off and the rest is pretty good except for the GW being a little off as well (more like 110 yards).
3JACK
I've used Trackman twice. I used it once when trying out a 3-wood as a local pro had just bought and wanted me to try it, but since has moved to Florida. I then used it when I was getting fit for my Mizuno MP-62 irons.
I think it's an amazing tool, although I don't think it's the be all end all. There is some margin for error in their results, even with the clubhead dimensions and I believe it actually has to use algorithms to determine the face angle, which really doesn't bother me.
I think it's an excellent teaching tool, but I also think that the 6* 3D motion tools are great as well because they can give some numbers that Trackman cannot.
As a fitting tool, I think it's good because of it's accuracy and you can use it outdoors. I think it's best at fitting drivers and determining 'yardage gaps' for the clubs. I thought the latest Trackman newsletter made a decent argument for golfers getting the same yardage gap for all clubs from Driver thru LW.
The logic was this:
- Average Driver Carry PGA Tour = 269
- Average LW Carry PGA Tour = 77 yards
- Average Carry Driver 269 - Avg. LW Carry 77 = 192
- 192/12 = 16 yard gap between clubs
Although I can see some problems with this logic. Say a golfer gets more towards 290 degrees carry then we are expecting him to carry his 3-wood 275 yards or so. Tough to do. Then by the time he gets to his 4-iron, the expected carry is close to 220-230 yards. Again, tough to do.
Plus, while we can carry a LW 77 yards, it's really a club that isn't used a lot on full swings and instead used for flops, bunkers, some pitches and some chips.
Instead I think a better way to go might be from 3-wood to SW carry.
Let's say that we go with the PGA Tour Average of 243 yards carry with the 3-wood. And then I'll guestimate at 105 yards carry with the SW.
138 yards / 10 'gaps' = 13.8 gap yardage per club
So the gaps 'should' look more like this (all carry):
Driver - 270+
3-wood - 243
Hybrid - 229
3-iron - 215
4-iron - 201
5-iron - 186
6-iron - 172
7-iron - 158
8-iron - 144
9-iron - 130
PW - 116
SW - 105 (should be 102 but the actual gap is 13.8 yards
LW - 77 (remember, we probably don't care about LW carry since we don't use it for full shots that much)
For me, my carry distances are approximately 230 yards with a 3-wood and 92 with a SW. Plus, I carry a GW instead of a 3-iron.
230 - 90 = 140
140/10 = 14.0 yard gap
So my gaps 'should' look like this:
3-wood - 230 yards
3-hybrid - 216 yards
4-iron = 202 yards
5-iron = 188 yards
6-iron = 174 yards
7-iron = 160 yards
8-iron = 146 yards
9-iron = 132 yards
PW = 118 yards
GW= 104 yards
SW = 90 yards
Now looking at it, I'm pretty close to that. My 4-iron is a little off. My 5-iron is way off and the rest is pretty good except for the GW being a little off as well (more like 110 yards).
3JACK