ABS module system

[imperfectgolfer]

How many training modules are there?

Can somebody please explain what one is training in each module - from a swing mechanical/biomechanical perspective?

Jeff.

[cloran]

I believe there are 10 modules (you think I'd know for sure seeing as how I'm paying for them, lol).
I can't say what EACH model teaches as I'm only on M1 and I have yet to see the others, but each module is set to build on the previous. Starting with impact. M1 trains you starting at the 4:30 line (pitch elbow) to deliver the hands to impact. It's mainly a hands/wrist/forearm drill.

From there I believe M2 progresses post impact, M3 post impact to finish, and then you start working on the backswing. I may be a little off so please don't quote me, but as I understand it that is the progression.

Lag leaves room for personal "style" in the modules. More so in the later modules I'd summize as he really wants impact and post impact to be a certain way.

Sorry if that's not exactly what you wanted, but without progressing through each module I don't know for sure what they are teaching biomechanically...

[pavaveda]

The core modules are:

1. The 4:30 line hand speed velocity/ module

2. Lower body integration, footwork and ground pressures/ module

3. Developing post impact pivot thrust/ module

4. Understanding and creating proper swing plane dynamics/ module

5. Hand Attitudes and ratchet removal/ module

6. Transition and centripetal force/ module

7. Finding Lowpoint and understanding ball flight/ module

8. The proper way to draw and fade the ball without timing/ module

9. How to aim the shot / module

10. Taking charge of the game and the course/ module

From here: www.lagpressure.com/instruction.html

[imperfectgolfer]

What I would like to understand is the logic of the mechanical/biomechanical principles that underlie each training module. It surely must be possible to describe what a golfer should be trying to achieve in each module - especially modules 1-7.

Jeff.

[Richie3Jack]

TeddyIrons would be better at explaining since he's on Module 5.

Module 1 teaches the golfer to get on the elbow plane. Lag calls it the '4:30 line' because the line he wants the shaft on is at about the '4 o'clock' position. I'd say it's more at about a 45* angle from the target line.

He also wants us to start getting more into pitch elbow.

Lastly, he basically has us release the #2 and #3 PA's but it's basically just the hands and wrists releasing those PA's instead of the arms helping out. Lag says he wants a 'frozen right arm while the hands fire' instead of a 'frozen right wrist while the arms are thrown at the ball.'

It's really a drill in Module 1 and then you try to slowly incorporate it into your swing. Here's all of the modules:

2. Lower body integration, footwork and ground pressures/ module

3. Developing post impact pivot thrust/ module

4. Understanding and creating proper swing plane dynamics/ module

5. Hand Attitudes and ratchet removal/ module

6. Transition and centripetal force/ module

7. Finding Lowpoint and understanding ball flight/ module

8. The proper way to draw and fade the ball without timing/ module

9. How to aim the shot / module

10. Taking charge of the game and the course/ module



3JACK

[Richie3Jack]

A big part of Module 1 is to train and re-train the wrists and hands. The drill has us go from P6 (downswing, shaft parallel to the ground before impact) right into the impact bag.

With the right hand, the right wrist is fully bent at P6. It then unbends a bit, but does not flatten. Many golfers, particularly golfers who come down on the TSP, need to re-train the right wrist to be fully bent at P6. Others, like myself, need to re-train the right wrist to unbend and do it without throwing the arms.

With the left hand, the left wrist swivels. Basically the #2 and #3 PA are release in this motion and done almost simultaneously. As a very right hand dominant person, this drill really works my left forearm. I can easily feel the burning sensation like somebody would feel from pumping iron.

This drill also shows us how to get proper axis tilt and there is pivot involved.

The most common issues with people doing this is that they usually get too much shaft lean into impact, almost always caused by using too much arms and not enough wrists and pivot.




3JACK

[imperfectgolfer]

3jack

Thanks for answering.

Consider your answer.

You state that Lag teaches that a golfer needs to be on the elbow plane by the delivery position (where the clubshaft in in-line with the right forearm - as seen from a DTL view). How does he teach a golfer to get from the TSP to the elbow plane? Is it different to traditional teaching?

You also state-: "Lastly, he basically has us release the #2 and #3 PA's but it's basically just the hands and wrists releasing those PA's instead of the arms helping out."

Could you please explain this in biomechanical terms? How do the hands/wrists release PA#2 and PA#3 (rather than the arms and CF-forces)?

Finally, do you have insight into the mechanical/biomechanical principles underlying the other modules eg. modules 3-7?

Jeff.

[Richie3Jack]

Feb 16, 2010 12:17:51 GMT -5 imperfectgolfer said:

You state that Lag teaches that a golfer needs to be on the elbow plane by the delivery position (where the clubshaft in in-line with the right forearm - as seen from a DTL view). How does he teach a golfer to get from the TSP to the elbow plane? Is it different to traditional teaching?

I've never really had a teacher teach me how to go from the TSP to the elbow plane. I've only received instruction from 2 TGM AI's. When I was in college, my downswing was on the elbow plane, so that wasn't an issue. But when I got back into the game last year, I was coming down on the TSP and I don't think Ted cared to mess with it.

The drill is such where you put a club down on the floor where the 4:30 line would be. It's really at a 45* angle from the target line and not too hard to make somewhat accurately. It's very much of the 'Visual Equivalents' part of TGM. And if you do the drill enough you start viewing things differently. Plus, your hands start to work differently from doing the drill.

Plus, getting into pitch elbow makes getting on the 4:30 line much easier IMO.

You also state-: "Lastly, he basically has us release the #2 and #3 PA's but it's basically just the hands and wrists releasing those PA's instead of the arms helping out."

Could you please explain this in biomechanical terms? How do the hands/wrists release PA#2 and PA#3 (rather than the arms and CF-forces)?

You take the right arm throw out of your swing. The #4 PP stays in tact as well. If you throw the right arm the left arm almost has to go forward as well. And you greatly increase the likelihood of disconnecting that #4 PP.

Here it's uncocking the left wrist (#2 PA) and rotate the left hand (#3 PA) while keeping the right arm bent (aka 'frozen right arm) and the #4 PP in tact. There's also some pivoting as well.

Finally, do you have insight into the mechanical/biomechanical principles underlying the other modules eg. modules 3-7?

Not yet.

I figured if I didn't like Module 1 I wouldn't pay for Module 2, but so far I like Module 1.

I think Module 2 goes into footwork and knee action in the downswing, particularly the transition.

I think Module 3 deals with post impact pivot thrust.

I think Module 4 helps golfers 'zero out their path.'

I'm not sure what Module 5 does.

I think Module 6 gets into lagging clubhead takeaway and counterfall.

But, those are just guesses.





3JACK

[imperfectgolfer]

3jack

You state that you are taking the release of PA#4 and any right arm throw action (active release of PA#1) out of your downswing, and that you are powering the downswing only with the left forearm (left forearm muscles used to uncock the left wrist - muscle-powered release of PA#2; left forearm muscles used to supinate the left hand - muscle-powered release of PA#3).

Is that correct?

Do you release PA#4 +/- PA#1 in your downswing, and when do you do it?

Jeff.

[Richie3Jack]

#4 PP, not #4 PA. Not really working on the #4 PA right now because the drill has us only go to the p6. #1 PA should release post impact...well post impact. He wants us to 'save the right arm' for a long time. darome is very similar in this thought as well.

I'll have to think a bit about when the #4 PA is released.

3JACK

[TeddyIrons]

Module 2 introduces ground pressures - how to start the downswing from the ground up.
Module 3 is post impact pivot thrust - ground pressures included
Module 4 combines Modules 1, 2 and 3 and concentrates on being on plane
Module 5 introduces the hand and wrist attitudes that are necessary for advanced ball striking - this would be relevant to any type of golf swing
Module 6 I believe builds on module 5 and discusses options for the transition.

How do we get to the 4:30 line elbow plane? John does not teach one method only - there are options available to us and it's discussed in module 6 which I haven't reached yet. However, in his posts he has always said that you can either swing flatter, or loop it in to that position. In either case we need the right hand attitudes and transition training to do it well.

In most of the modules, we concentrate on keeping our arms packed to our torso. We minimise arm movement until well past impact. This swing is based on pivot and hands firing. We never give up Pressure Point #4 until well past impact, and we keep a bent right arm in all the modules.

Almost all of what I've learned in the modules so far, has been written about by JE in his famous ISG thread. The key to the modules is training the body to achieve this type of swing.

The modules are intended to enter our swing dna naturally without force, over time. So when you play you are not supposed to overly think about the modules, although it's OK to experiment while on the range.