S&T swing and ball flight control

[imperfectgolfer]

I don't understand Bennett/Plummer's approach to clubface control, and therefore ball flight control, based on their circles/cones concept.

They have the following photograph in their book.



On page 120 they state-: "All golfers can be split into two groups as it relates to this diagram: those who strike the ball on the back side of the circle, with the clubhead still swinging outward, and those who make contact on the front side, with the clubhead having reached its apex and returning to the inside, swinging across the ball. To find out which group you belong to, look at your typical ball flight. If you are hitting pulls or slices, your'e hitting on the front side; if you hit pushes or hooks, your'e hitting on the back side."

What represents the apex of this circle? Is it low point? How can a golfer hit the ball beyond low point (on the front side of the circle) if the ball is on the ground?

Jeff.

[danadahlquist]

There are several factors.
for the average joe-
stay forward moves the apex forward of the ball so you hit down and out to the ball.
For a tour player
same, but add that hitting down(1-2 degrees) on a ball is hitting out too.
So releate this to the face is closed to the path in three dem views.
Just don't start saying we are swinging out to out, cuz we got pp#5 for that. He is stating that if you swung out the face can get higher rate of closing and or #3 rolls to soon
(you got RF plane, and shoulder, axis tilt "2&3",handle vert axis ect..)

[imperfectgolfer]

Dana,

I don't think that your post addresses the issue of B/P's statement of "hitting the ball on the front side of the circle - beyond the apex".

What is PP#5?

What does the statement "swinging out-to-out" mean?

Jeff.

[danadahlquist]

PP#5 is under the left arm they are darome numbers

[imperfectgolfer]

No forum member (including Dana) has explained how it is possible to hit a ball "in front of the apex" if the ball is placed on the ground.

I have other questions about B/P's approach to hitting draws/fades.

On page 126 of their book, they start discussing "attachments" and they state that a golfer should vary these "attachments" to selectively hit a draw or a fade.

To selectively hit a fade, they recommend i) aiming the clubface 10 yards left of the target; ii) setting the butt end of the club lower at address (the more horizontal the clubshaft angle => the more the clubface will face left) and iii) adopt a stronger left hand grip by turning the left hand 30-40 degrees clockwise on the grip (which they claim will produce a more closed clubface at impact).

Does this approach make sense to you?

Do you think that a golfer should try and vary the clubshaft angle (vary the lie relative to the ground) at impact to hit a fade? Do you think that a golfer should adopt a stronger left hand grip to hit a fade?

How do closed attachments allow a golfer to produce a fade?

How does a S&T golfer alter the clubhead path to produce a fade?

Jeff.

[danadahlquist]

How do closed attachments allow a golfer to produce a fade?

How does a S&T golfer alter the clubhead path to produce a fade?

Yes thats what travino does and fred. CP cut does the same too.
If th ehandle is higher it opens the face and puts the sweet spot under longer to CF it.

I think its explained very well in the book. You could stay behind the ball all day and rotate the face over as hard as you want and hit a cut.

[imperfectgolfer]

Dana,

You wrote-: "CP cut does the same too.
If the handle is higher it opens the face and puts the sweet spot under longer to CF it."

I find your statements to be incomprehensible.

If anybody can explain those two statements, then I would appreciate a rephrasing of the statements in simple prose language so that they can be clearly understood.

Jeff.

[Richie3Jack]

Gotta agree, Dana. I understand the connection between a higher handle and an open face, but the 'puts the sweet spot under longer to CF it' is confusing.




3JACK

[danadahlquist]

Yes, but you don't want to over cook it.