The value of darome

[imperfectgolfer]

Does darome teaching/ideology have any relevance for the online world of golf discussion forums where golfers freely share insights/opinions regarding golf instructional material?

Jeff.

[Richie3Jack]

I think it does. I don't expect instructors to give away every single part of teaching. I think teachers who have taken darome like Dana Dahlquist, David Orr, John Dochety and Denny Alberts (here) have given away information about it. It's not as detailed as we would love to do so, but it's some insight.




3JACK

[gmbtempe]

Feb 27, 2010 19:02:45 GMT -5 imperfectgolfer said:

Does darome teaching/ideology have any relevance for the online world of golf discussion forums where golfers freely share insights/opinions regarding golf instructional material?

Jeff.

How can something that has never really been published in any form really be discussed?

I think there are references but as far as a total swing methodology its just bits and pieces.

[danadahlquist]

Just out of respect to Mac and his work I am not going to go into his work. I think that should only be a one on one situation per the lesson tee and or one of his clinic's.
We can talk about the well known basics. But I can't break out and type up his check lists of PW fade numbers. They are way too detailed.

[imperfectgolfer]

Dana

I am not interested in the 3 pages of checklists.

I am only interested in darome basics. For example, I suspect that the terms CP and CF come from Mac. I started a thread on that topic - could you please explain the basic difference between a CP release and CF release in that thread.

Thanks,

Jeff.

[danadahlquist]

Jeff,
You guys kinda hit it on the head really. I will add one thing from impact to seperation. Just go into the yellow book and think 2-j-2
mac's study was more around 2-j-3
Like I said Im not really at liberty, VJ would understand fully what i mean.

[golfbaka]

At this moment the simple answer to your question Jeff is no.

I am very sceptical of anybody in any area of research that refuses to publish something and yet claim something groundbreaking. On the other hand if you've got nothing in publishable form with suitable copyright then your intellectual property is not protected. However, Mac's had plenty enough time to get something published....

It maybe worthwhile collecting everything there is out there and seeing where that takes us...

All I've got is some some feedback that I cut and pasted from another forum a while back, though you've probably already come accross it:

'He (Mac) feels that the ideal swing is about 75% Snead and 25% Hogan. Because Mac's work is so detailed, I can only give a glimpse in this post, but here goes with some selected points:

1. Set up: : Buttend of club points at the navel. Very little backward spine tilt (i.e., away from the target). Mac emphasizes maintaining a Center of Gravity (COG). Both feet slightly flared outwards. Since I'm 54, he also pulled my right foot back on ALL shots. He also discourages the chin up position -- says the eyes must look directly at the ball (his teachings stress the importance of the eyes). Grip: ideally LH is turned 45 degrees.

2. Backswing: The hands go back, in and up, right along the plane line. For me, it became a feeling of the hands going inside, but the clubhead went much less inside. When the lead arm is parallel to the ground it would point about 45 degrees to the right of the target (for a right hander). At the top of the BS, the left wrist should be flat with a definite feeling of the extensor action on PP#1 (I tend to double-cock, which I've learned destroys the flying wedge). One real big point: you must maintain the COG at the time -- no effort to get everything behind the ball. For me the feeling is that the left hip does not move away from the target on the BS, but DOES move laterally on the DS. He pointed to both Hogan and Snead and factitously laughed about how they would "reverse pivot" (they are Mac's heros).

3. Downswing: At the beginning of the DS, EVERYTHING moves towards the target, even the head. I expect this may distinguish his move from TGM. However, the head backs up slightly just before impact, so it doesn't get ahead of the ball. He advocates a straight line delivery path. The left shoulder stays down rather than going up on the downswing because Mac believes if it goes up you'll get jammed and also dump off the lag. We spent lots of time working on developing lag but his key points for lag: The deltoids bring the club down the first part of the DS and the triceps don't fire until just before the release point. The trail elbow must keep moving forward ("seeking the navel") while the right wrist remains bent. And the clincher is exactly what I think (if I understood correctly) Yoda said was Hogan's key -- you sustain the lag by the momentum transfer forward; for some, a push off the trail foot. The minute you slow down that transfer the clubhead will overtake the hands. On the follow-through, Mac had me getting my trail shoulder to a point forward and behind position of the left shoulder at address. He definitely stresses rotational forces.'

[gmbtempe]

From some of the comments I have heard to me it sounds like TGM on steriods. Positions are not just general but specific....like you need to be X degrees open, your head moves X positions forward, you have tons of pressure points not just the ones Homer talked about....it goes on and on it sounds like.

That being said, love those swings of the darome people I have seen.

[Richie3Jack]

I had a good friend that went to one of Mac's classes. From talking to people and seeing my friend's swing (this was back in the 90's), you really need to go to about 5 classes. If you just go to 1 or 2 classes it seems like it's hazardous because so many questions go unanswered and then you start to figure it out by class #5.

One of the few things I remember about my friend talking it over with me (which he didn't do much of) was how the left shoulder should move in the backswing. And it wasn't like down and back. It was very, very specific like 'six inches down and 18" back.'





3JACK

[golfbaka]

Sounds an awful lot like 'position' golf to me!

Or kind of like the SLAP method - this is your ideal swing if you're arms are this long etc.....