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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 1, 2010 11:37:28 GMT -5
It looks like she is halfway between a TGM centralized swing and a stack and tilt swing?
That much weight left at the top I imagine her misses are big blocks and hooks?
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Post by mudball on Mar 1, 2010 15:35:22 GMT -5
Dave - you wrote-: "So my point is if someone is trying to adopt a particular move then that has a relevant impact on their swing even if they are not quite there yet." I agree. However, I do not know in what direction AR is moving and how far she is in her transition phase from one swing style to another swing style. I reviewed her swing in a swing analyser program. I was wrong to state that she looked more like a VJ Trolio clone. She actually doesn't shift her pelvis that far leftwards during the late backswing, and she has a large amount of left-lateral pelvic shift during the downswing. I placed red lines alongside her pelvis at address, and blue lines alongside her hat (head) - image 1. You can see that he has a small amount of pelvic shift to the left in the backswing - image 2. However, it is smaller in magnitude compared to VJ Trolio. By contrast, she has a large amount of left-lateral pelvic shift in the downswing - image 3. Jeff. Jeff Do you agree that she does demonstrate some of the S&T method in her swing - even though maybe not text book so to speak?
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 1, 2010 15:44:54 GMT -5
Dave,
It looks slight to me, yes in terms of weight distribution and she looks like she releases the tilt at the top a little but as far as pro swings she has to be as far away from the model as I have seen. This is no knock on Dana and maybe a compliment to SnT as it shows you don't have to do all the pieces of the pattern in some kind of dogmatic approach.
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Post by vjsinger on Mar 1, 2010 15:53:36 GMT -5
Jeff,
How did you draw those lines? Still 1 and 3 look rather dramatic to me. Just curious.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 1, 2010 15:56:59 GMT -5
Jeff, How did you draw those lines? Still 1 and 3 look rather dramatic to me. Just curious. Not Jeff but I would imagine its V1, and yes she moves forward a lot, more than average.
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Post by mudball on Mar 1, 2010 16:44:23 GMT -5
Jeff, How did you draw those lines? Still 1 and 3 look rather dramatic to me. Just curious. vjsinger - you have raised an interesting point. I realise now what has happened. If you look inthe background in picture 1 you will see an almost rectangular shaped area. It's just to the left of her right arm in the address position. The lines drawn on the picture are outside this rectangular shape... But by picture 3 they have moved and are right over and below it... Has the background moved? No I doubt it... so I then went back to the original posting and played the video clip again - sure enough the camera moves. It tilts downward to the viewers left and moves to the left. I'm not saying the lines are wrong but when viewing the three pictures it makes the move forward in pic three look more exaggerated compared to the background. I think the eye looks at the whole image and sees a big move. Interesting eh... check it out and see if you agree with me. Dave
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 1, 2010 16:59:55 GMT -5
It sure does Dave, at the last few frames it jumps...good catch...........
Dana....buy some tripods from crying out loud (:
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 1, 2010 18:42:20 GMT -5
VJ
I used my V1 Home program and drew the lines at address - Image 1.
I then leave the lines alone and just capture still images with a SnagIt program.
The cameraman didn't use a tripod and I think that one cannot judge how much the camera is moving side-to-side, thereby exaggerating the degree of leftwards shift. It is hard to believe that she moves her head that far forward in the downswing.
I can only use those still images for a general impression of her swing, and my general impression has changed - I now think that she has more S&T in her swing, rather than having a swing that is more similar to VT Trolio's swing.
Jeff.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 2, 2010 1:09:36 GMT -5
Here is a new version of the Rawson capture images. I drew a blue arrowed line vertically upwards from that white spot on the ground as a reference line - I think that it gives a more accurate (less distorted) reflection of the leftwards-shift of her body and head in the backswing/downswing. Jeff.
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 2, 2010 10:21:49 GMT -5
I still think that is more traditional than anything.
I want to see the girl's swing in Dana's post, it was the first picture, I think its a pro but not sure who it is.
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Post by danadahlquist on Mar 4, 2010 0:16:01 GMT -5
Erika?
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Post by jonnygrouville on Mar 4, 2010 4:20:42 GMT -5
Whoever it is, they look like they are about to smack the living snot out of it!
Whatever the case (stacked and tilted or not, one or two plane, spine leaning one way or another), it looks like it will be very very easy to deliver the club into a strong impact from there.
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