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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jul 28, 2012 20:05:37 GMT -5
Anyone hear of a device like Trackman for putters that measure/calculates the face angle? I've been on SAM Puttlab (not a big fan). I would love to know what truly happens at impact with my putterface.
Is there such a thing as gear effect for putters or is the impact so soft that there isn't any real gear effect? Just thought I'd ask. I presume the answer is no.
I have the Ping app and plastic device. Not sold on that either.
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Post by teeace on Jul 29, 2012 3:09:26 GMT -5
You still believe they can see the face by radar?
Radars are not good enough to measure things like that and you can't base that information for the roll of the ball, so not possible to have something which works by that.
There would be interesting project to try to see the face by ultrasound but it seems impossible also and you need some reflector to that.
The solution might be in sensors some day and maybe even kind of them that can communicate together and you would be able to see on practice green how your aim and stroke changes relative to the aim point of that putt in longer putts.
And the calibration will always be the problem. No one answered my question about TM or FS and how they can know the aim in 1 or two degrees tolerance and tell if you hit it inside out or out to in.... and even decimals. In other words, how you can set up the device in 1 degree tolerance
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jul 29, 2012 6:54:03 GMT -5
Do you actually understand English? I said the word "like." I never said anything about "seeing." One day the club itself will be the measuring device.
Just stay away from my posts. I don't care what you say and I suspect everyone else here does as well.
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Post by teeace on Jul 29, 2012 7:22:20 GMT -5
Do you actually understand English? I said the word "like." I never said anything about "seeing." One day the club itself will be the measuring device. Just stay away from my posts. I don't care what you say and I suspect everyone else here does as well. Trackman "like" would mean something which measures same kind of things or same technology or same kind of results. When all those are impossible in putting, no one can understand what "like" means to you. And as a club being measuring device itself.... saw first like that about 10 years ago but it never succeed to get in production as the results of tests were not good enough. And about staying away.... you are not the one to tell me what to do and I will correct you as always when you continue misleading people with your foolish opinions and childish believes of many things. And what about my question about TM / FS knowing that 1 degree aiming mistake?
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Post by iacas on Jul 29, 2012 12:15:39 GMT -5
Anyone hear of a device like Trackman for putters that measure/calculates the face angle? I've been on SAM Puttlab (not a big fan). I would love to know what truly happens at impact with my putterface. SAM is about the best there is. You can set up a high-speed camera too but that's virtually pointless. SAM can tell you impact location as well. Is there such a thing as gear effect for putters or is the impact so soft that there isn't any real gear effect? Just thought I'd ask. I presume the answer is no. Gear effect how? The ball will push and lose ball speed if hit on the toe and pull and lose ball speed if hit on the heel. That's about it. If I were to give the stats for an ideal putting stroke the characteristics would be about: 1-2° dynamic loft 2-3° rise angle (AoA positive) Maximum speed AT or an inch or two before the ball. 0 or a slight negative acceleration at the hit. Square face (to the intended target line)* Center face contact (sweet spot) * Or at least consistently in the same place. thesandtrap.com/t/45899/40-60-putting-stroke/thesandtrap.com/t/24241/putting-back-short-accelerate-follow-through-worst-advice-ever-read-this/FWIW I took your "trackman-like" comment simply to mean something which measures impact and the stroke and whatnot to the same degree of accuracy and amount of data as a Trackman. I doubt you literally wanted to know spin axis, etc.
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Post by teeace on Jul 29, 2012 14:44:05 GMT -5
Now I need to thank you cwd. You gave me an idea and I know perfectly how to build perfect device for that and what has been missing from SAM. Thank you and I mean it.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jul 29, 2012 15:53:11 GMT -5
Stop posting on my initial threads Tapio. I don't want to hear anything about you and do NOT want your opinion. Assume there is a line under every thread I start that I don't want to hear from you. You don't understand English or even what the word like means (means more than measuring can mean calculating or giving data itself). You limit words to your own foolish worldviews and I don't want to hear it anymore. Seriously, stop posting in my threads.
You fight with everyone on every site and people are just sick of you. You have no friends and have been banned for stupidity at two other sites. You have no tact when communicating with people and your golfing arrogance is embarassing. Stay in your green room of doom. You're like the kid in high school that would ruin it for everyone because of some idiotic exception that you want as the rule.
Thanks iacas. You're correct. I just put the word Trackman out there hoping that someone (other than Tapio) might have heard something. SAM just didn't cut it for me and you know how I love technology. ;D
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Post by teeace on Jul 29, 2012 15:59:27 GMT -5
Stop posting on my initial threads Tapio. I don't want to hear anything about you and do NOT want your opinion. Assume there is a line under every thread I start that I don't want to hear from you. You don't understand English or even what the word like means (means more than measuring can mean calculating or giving data itself). You limit words to your own foolish worldviews and I don't want to hear it anymore. Seriously, stop posting in my threads. You can't even communicate effectively in the English language. You fight with everyone on every site and people are just sick of you. You have no friends and have been banned for stupidity at two other sites. You have no tact when communicating with people and your golfing arrogance is embarassing. Stay in your green room of doom. Thanks iacas. You are no one to tell me what I do. And I only fight with idiots who can't understand simple things and tells lies about me. You did it once again. I got lot of friends. Ja mites hyvin sulta sitten onnistuu kommunikointi vierailla kielillä. Ainoo lakimies kent on todettu totaalisen lukutaidottomaksi.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jul 29, 2012 16:03:18 GMT -5
I just did tell you what to do.
Nobody has to lie about you. You show off your ignorance in almost every post. You don't understand English and shouldn't use our language to communicate.
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Post by teeace on Jul 29, 2012 16:04:29 GMT -5
You don't understand English or even what the word like means (means more than measuring can mean calculating or giving data itself). I know many meanings for word "like" but it's impossible to understand what of those you mean as you seem to be confusing everything all the time. Hoe the hell someone could guess what meaning you got in your head about that as you even seem to have really wrong believes how those devices work. Anyway, still thank you about the idea to produce one that really works...
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jul 29, 2012 17:29:40 GMT -5
You don't know how to use our language. The word "like" isn't limiting, it's expansive. I used the word like with measuring and calcuating. What do you do? Like a true prick, create a straw man for your argument. Look that one up big boy. You won't understand the straw man argument because you don't know how to communicate with our language nor do you understate Aristotelian logic. It's why you keep coming up with ridiculous ideas and focus on the exceptions. If you were a man you would start your own site and see if anyone really followed you. All you do now is leach off of other sites and spew your nonsense. Man up Tapio. Start your own site.
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Post by teeace on Jul 29, 2012 22:53:30 GMT -5
You don't know how to use our language. The word "like" isn't limiting, it's expansive. I used the word like with measuring and calcuating. What do you do? Like a true prick, create a straw man for your argument. Look that one up big boy. You won't understand the straw man argument because you don't know how to communicate with our language nor do you understate Aristotelian logic. It's why you keep coming up with ridiculous ideas and focus on the exceptions. If you were a man you would start your own site and see if anyone really followed you. All you do now is leach off of other sites and spew your nonsense. Man up Tapio. Start your own site. Read this carefully and try to understand it: You are no one to tell me what to do. And I can also teach you little bit your language. Word "like" means there is something similar. So the question would be what can be similar? First idea would be that it's using same technology. I answered; no way. Secont thought: same kind of way to give reports. No way, how could it. Third thought: What the hell is this guy asking? As knowing the principals of those devices can there be something that is "like"? No. And now he tells us he meant measuring and calculating?? What the hell? Backspin or launch angle? Maybe even sidespin of the rolling ball? Maybe the carry and roll? Yes, in my country we would sometimes need that on our greens. Maybe it could count the jumps; how high and long they are... SAM is most similar thing for putting to Trackman that there can be and as there was (not SAM) in the thread what was left? SAM is telling about every relevant thing of your stroke but with this thread I realized what has been the problem with it and how that can be solved.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jul 30, 2012 2:22:22 GMT -5
I am someone to tell you what to do and did it. Don't act like a child when people stand up to your childish posts. Almost every post you make is offensive or demeaning and you don't even know you're doing it because you don't use our language properly. Stay over at Gotham or create your own site.
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Post by teeace on Jul 30, 2012 2:58:31 GMT -5
I am someone to tell you what to do and did it. Don't act like a child when people stand up to your childish posts. Almost every post you make is offensive or demeaning and you don't even know you're doing it because you don't use our language properly. Stay over at Gotham or create your own site. No you are not as you can see. What about you to create your own site? And most of my postings are not offensive at all. Every post with sense gets polite and fair answer in every forum I join. Then there is idiotic posts and they got that kind of answers also. For example my replies in this thread has had nothing offensive until you started it and thats easy to see. I told you why there can't be putting device "like" trackman and your reply was that something like I don't have the right to answer in public forum. That's stupid and that I told you. If you can't understand that your question was really confused and incomplete and gave the view that you don't understand how those devices work, it's not at all my fault.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jul 30, 2012 8:13:28 GMT -5
You don't even know what you do out of ignorance. People have tried to explain it to you and you're too obstinate to listen. You have been banned at two sites already for goofiness/stupidity. Informally banned at GolfWRX. I'm not the one that thinks I know it all. That's you. Every site you visit all you bring is hostility and arrogance. Thus, man up and start your own site and post your swing theories. You're the "pro" and teach +3 handicaps. Of course, you have nothing to sell!!
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