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Post by teeace on Jan 24, 2013 1:48:00 GMT -5
Hogan squared the face with supination before impact, and pronated post-impact to prevent excessive club face closure. Teeace, if these idiots can't understand what you're saying, then stop trying. It's like trying to talk to a block of concrete, nothing's going to happen. And besides, they're not interested in constructive debate, it's only about arguing with anyone and everyone. One day I would love CW to actually tell us what HE thinks about the golf swing with no reference to anybody else. I disagree with that early supination and see it was more about bowing the wrist (palmar flexion) and all he did was to prevent left forearm supination all the way through. When the left arm is parallel to the ground and one supinates (or let supination happen) the shaft will come steeper and club head will come to the hand path, or even outside of it very early. If one is bowing his wrist at that position, it rotates the shaft around it's own axis as there is about 90 degrees angle between forearm and the shaft, and face is closing. The advantage of that version is that club head stays inside of the hand line (behind the player) and also that this movement got very much smaller range of motion, so it can't go over and face can't close too much. When that geometry is really understood, it's very easy to understand why he made those TWO!! changes to his grip, not only weakening it. Also right elbow close to the hip is strong mark of his intention to resist supination as well the open triangle. There is just no way to human being to change that muscular action during that 0,2s time from top to impact. Too many forces to cancel and too short time.
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Post by golfer12 on Jan 24, 2013 2:52:02 GMT -5
Strictly speaking you are correct. Having read Hogan for 30 years and coaching for over 20 using that term, it's pretty ingrained. There are 1000's of videos of Hogan, let these guys look at it and work it out for themselves. At some point you have to be honest with yourself. Surely?
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Post by golfer12 on Jan 24, 2013 2:53:45 GMT -5
RJ, what about giving us your version of what happens anatomically during the release (hands and arms)? Please
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 24, 2013 5:57:30 GMT -5
I don't follow Hogan's swing. He had a CP release and I CF release. Swing theory leads to endless debates.
However, you two need to look up the law of non-contradiction as I've told Tapio for over a year. Something cannot simultaneously do the opposite without explanation or condition. It took a year for Flapio to state supination as an action with pronation as an orientation. Simple schizophrenic geometry!!!
Please don't bring the finger twisting videos back!!!!!
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Post by teeace on Jan 24, 2013 6:04:07 GMT -5
I don't follow Hogan's swing. He had a CP release and I CF release. Swing theory leads to endless debates. However, you two need to look up the law of non-contradiction as I've told Tapio for over a year. Something cannot simultaneously do the opposite without explanation or condition. It took a year for Flapio to state supination as an action with pronation as an orientation. Simple schizophrenic geometry!!! No CW, it took more than a year for you to understand it even me and Steve explained that about 300 times. And by maybe 50 different examples starting from arm wrestling. Do you really think people has forgotten that? All those things of object, subject, active, passive... it was all about your lack of ability to understand your own language. Maybe next year you and Ray will also understand that 2D and still are not opposites...
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 24, 2013 6:24:39 GMT -5
Nobody understands this theory except you. In fact, nobody seriously discusses this theory anymore except to show your stupidity. We know you're going to change the world with your knowledge, but it's taking an awfully long time. Don't forget to lock that wrist!
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Post by teeace on Jan 24, 2013 6:29:53 GMT -5
Nobody understands this theory except you. In fact, nobody seriously discusses this theory anymore except to show your stupidity. We know you're going to change the world with your knowledge, but it's taking an awfully long time. Don't forget to lock that wrist! Don't talk about other people if you are the only idiot not to understand it. It's totally your problem and based on low brain capacity, nothing else. I talk about it daily with clever people and they got not at all problem to understand it. So find a mirror and ask the image there why you can't. At least it's not my fault.
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Post by playa on Jan 24, 2013 7:33:12 GMT -5
I am going to start another thread on Hogan's club face squaring.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 24, 2013 8:32:51 GMT -5
Good idea. Tapio is enamored with his Hogan theory. I could care less about his theory. Tapio believes in square circles!!!
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Post by teeace on Jan 24, 2013 8:45:25 GMT -5
Good idea. Tapio is enamored with his Hogan theory. I could care less about his theory. Tapio believes in square circles!!! And you can't understand those square moments? Why the hell you keep spreading what all you can't understand? Do you have any idea how much people are laughing at your stupidity? But go on and live still in circles that are circles and ask why BMan is showing things with his plane board. And FYI... that is the biggest illusion what one can have and BMan is very deep in that illusion... very deep but I will not help him out of there. Someday... maybe pretty soon even someone will tell what is the mistake with FS and TM and why they just noticed D-plane is not the explanation for everything. But they are still searching from the wrong place and I wait. When someone finally finds it, I will show my PM to Jeffy and Playa about that.... until that CW... just continue to believe BMan
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 24, 2013 9:29:29 GMT -5
Only you Tapio would bash the machines and then allow FS to sync with your machine! Hypocrisy is lost on you. There is no such thing as a square circle you moron and you obviously couldn't see the reference because you think up is down and left is right. You are a master at secret knowledge that will change the world. Another marketing strategy that won't work.
That crop circle theory is getting a ton of views!!!! LOL. Go tell Playa about your Hogan theories, I could care less. You provide no knowledge and bring nothing but confusion to subjects.
Read a new marketing book because your strategy sucks so far.
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Post by teeace on Jan 24, 2013 9:39:16 GMT -5
Only you Tapio would bash the machines and then allow FS to sync with your machine! Hypocrisy is lost on you. There is no such thing as a square circle you moron and you obviously couldn't see the reference because you think up is down and left is right. You are a master at secret knowledge that will change the world. Another marketing strategy that won't work. That crop circle theory is getting a ton of views!!!! LOL. Go tell Playa about your Hogan theories, I could care less. You provide no knowledge and bring nothing but confusion to subjects. Read a new marketing book because your strategy sucks so far. LOL.. you are so lost CW.. you just prove your stupidity all the time. And BTW, there is square circles... a lot of them everywhere. Another point is that golf swing is not a circle. So in this case in one sentence you were wrong only two times Asperger syndrome? Lack of ability to understand things from multiple views? Feels like that seriously... And I really hope those radar devices are getting better when they understand this issue. Now they got problems because people start questioning about those results. You know, all are not true believers like you, they think about things
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 24, 2013 9:44:51 GMT -5
Only in your world could a pumpkin be a watermelon and it's contents sweet and juicy. Up is down as well!
I made up a square circle because it violates the law of noncontradiction that I've been telling you to examine for over a year. A circle cannot be a square unless someone lives in your fantasy land.
Who said the golf swing is a circle? It's more like an elipse. Keep making up more facts to make yourself look good.
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Post by teeace on Jan 24, 2013 9:54:53 GMT -5
Only in your world could a pumpkin be a watermelon and it's contents sweet and juicy. Up is down as well! I made up a square circle because it violates the law of noncontradiction that I've been telling you to examine for over a year. A circle cannot be a square unless someone lives in your fantasy land. Who said the golf swing is a circle? It's more like an elipse. Keep making up more facts to make yourself look good. LOL.. you really don't understand how idiotic you make yourself. Circle is square about always.. I have seen big damages when it's not...
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Jan 24, 2013 10:08:29 GMT -5
Circle is square? That is better than pronation = supination. WOW!
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