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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 11, 2010 10:52:48 GMT -5
If forum members understand my personal set of biases, I favor a rightwards-centered backswing swing action where a golfer simply rotates around a rightwards-centralised spine without any swaying to the right, and without any tilting to the left. I also favor a RFT and not an one-piece takeaway. That combination creates a compact "on-plane" swing with very few moving parts. Here is a golfer who has those attributes - Brian Smock. Note that he has a strong left hand grip, and his left forearm is slightly pronated at address. That allows him to perform the takeaway swivel action very fluidly. www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwfqhN_E880www.youtube.com/watch#!v=zLfGq5a1AiY Jeff. |
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 11, 2010 11:01:17 GMT -5
Isn't Brian a SnT player? I know his teacher, Dan Carrahar is his teacher and he is a big SnT guy along with being a GSEB.
Maybe Smock is only using a few pieces of of the pattern but yea his swing is pretty great, the finish is what I am trying to achieve.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 11, 2010 11:11:08 GMT -5
Greg,
I only just discovered his swing. I know nothing about him.
If he is being taught by a S&T instructor, then they have successfully kept him more centralised - thankfully without eliminating his rightwards spinal tilt and his rotary pelvic action. I hope that he doesn't develop a S&T backswing action + an assertive left-lateral pelvic slide action that takes the outer border of his left pelvis outside his left outer foot.
Jeff.
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Post by TeddyIrons on Mar 11, 2010 11:16:59 GMT -5
Jeff, how do you know when a golfer is using a right forearm takeaway? Simply the fact that the right arm bends earlier in the takeaway?
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 11, 2010 11:27:31 GMT -5
Greg, I only just discovered his swing. I know nothing about him. If he is being taught by a S&T instructor, then they have successfully kept him more centralised - thankfully without eliminating his rightwards spinal tilt and his rotary pelvic action. I hope that he doesn't develop a S&T backswing action + an assertive left-lateral pelvic slide action that takes the outer border of his left pelvis outside his left outer foot. Jeff. I agree with that.....there is no reason to get that far left at the top so you must perform the pelvic action... |
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Post by cloran on Mar 11, 2010 11:45:16 GMT -5
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Post by gmbtempe on Mar 11, 2010 11:48:52 GMT -5
yea I have watched many of Dan's lessons and he uses that move for keeping the wedge intact. |
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Post by cloran on Mar 11, 2010 11:49:14 GMT -5
... and he's currently ranked 9th on the Nationwide Tour money list (after 2 events)... he must be doing something right.
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 11, 2010 14:04:49 GMT -5
Teddy,
There are a number of features that suggest a RFT backswing action.
1) The right forearm moves away from the target at the start of the backswing while keeping parallel to the clubshaft-at-address plane during the takeaway.
2) The right elbow remains very close to the elbow plane line throughout the backswing.
3) The right elbow bends earlier.
4) The right forearm's 3-D motion in space is primarily dictated by an external rotation of the right humerus in the right shoulder socket.
Jeff.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 11, 2010 23:21:53 GMT -5
I like your thoughts on the recommended swing, Jeff. I do try and follow the Homer Kelley philosophy of not really recommending anything...just try to analyze issues and prescribe changes accordingly.
That being said, I like what Lag Erickson's ABS Modules is teaching so far. I think not only gets you hitting more good shots, but tightly disperses your misses. Plus, there's a lot of room for individuality.
I think a leftward leaning torso at the top can work if you have some low point problems. I don't use the RFT anymore since it's not an issue for me. However, if you are a person who struggles with getting the club on plane on the backswing, I think it's a great way to take the club away.
3JACK
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Post by iteachgolf on Mar 12, 2010 3:06:44 GMT -5
latest lesson
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 12, 2010 10:29:44 GMT -5
iteachgolf
I am not sure why you posted this video of Brian. I must admit that I love his swing!
Could you please explain in detailed prose terms how he is being taught to hit different draw patterns?
Thanks,
Jeff.
p..s. I noted that his swing video starts with a caption - keeping the upper swing center stable. I like the word "stable" because a rightwards-centered backswing center keeps the upper swing center relatively stable - but not stationary as recommended by Bennett/Plummer.
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Post by iteachgolf on Mar 12, 2010 11:45:05 GMT -5
To keep it simple, the longer the arc (slower rehinge) the less CF you have to be to draw the ball and the lower it will go. This allows him to maintain PP4 and have the arms down at the finish and still draw the ball. If he is going to shorten the arc (makes the clubhead move left earlier), then he has to swing out at the ball a little more to make it draw and it results in a higher finish and higher ball flight. Other than that we simply use handle location and ball position at setup to hit different shots.
One ball back of his normal position and handle forward = about a 10 yard draw
One ball forward and handle Nuetral = about a 5 yard fade
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Post by imperfectgolfer on Mar 12, 2010 19:20:41 GMT -5
iteachgolf
Thank for replying. Unfortunately, I cannot understand your position. I would need a much more detailed explanation to understand your opinions.
I particularly do not understand how handle position at address affects ball flight.
Jeff.
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Post by Richie3Jack on Mar 12, 2010 19:39:08 GMT -5
I particularly do not understand how handle position at address affects ball flight. Jeff. Handle forward makes the attack angle steeper (usually). Steeper attack angle moves the swing plane and path out to the right (provided you take your normal swing), thus you're more likely to draw the ball. Move the handle backwards, more towards mid-body, plane line will more naturally move left, promoting a fade. 3JACK |
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