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Post by Richie3Jack on Apr 11, 2013 8:48:27 GMT -5
It's basically a 250cc driver. Me thinks this adds more credibility to Wishon's report as OEM's will try and sell any turd to the public.  3JACK |
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Post by golfbaka on Apr 12, 2013 4:40:02 GMT -5
8.5 degrees, 45 inch shaft - its a driver. It seems Phil will try anything to fix his driving, except shortening his backswing and actually fixing his driving.
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Post by jeffy on Apr 12, 2013 11:03:34 GMT -5
8.5 degrees, 45 inch shaft - its a driver. It seems Phil will try anything to fix his driving, except shortening his backswing and actually fixing his driving. It's not the backswing that needs to be fixed, but he's given up trying to change his swing, he's going to just live with it. |
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 12, 2013 11:08:41 GMT -5
8.5 degrees, 45 inch shaft - its a driver. It seems Phil will try anything to fix his driving, except shortening his backswing and actually fixing his driving. It's not the backswing that needs to be fixed, but he's given up trying to change his swing, he's going to just live with it. I wouldn't change either if I won 41 times on the PGA! |
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Post by cloran on Apr 12, 2013 20:11:30 GMT -5
3 green jackets and a PGA Championship... But if he could only do "XYZ" instead of "ZYX" when he uses the driver he would be sooooo much better!
or not...
How many great golfers lost their swings because they let someone put a bug in their ear on the range? It's really sad when you think about it.
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Post by cloran on Apr 12, 2013 20:13:22 GMT -5
8.5 degrees, 45 inch shaft - its a driver. It seems Phil will try anything to fix his driving, except shortening his backswing and actually fixing his driving. It's not the backswing that needs to be fixed, but he's given up trying to change his swing, he's going to just live with it. I could live with my swing if it produced $69M in career earnings... couldn't you? |
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Post by Richie3Jack on Apr 12, 2013 22:40:08 GMT -5
It all depends on the person.
Driving certainly holds Phil back from even being better. Some say go with the success and live with it. Others can't. Hogan couldn't live with it and was always tweaking his game to get better and better.
It's probably the attitude of golfers like Phil as to why I don't have a real fandom of modern Tour players. They are too happy with finishing 2nd.
3JACK
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Post by cloran on Apr 13, 2013 11:38:43 GMT -5
... or is it that they are too afraid of suddenly starting to finish with a MC? If it ain't broke... and a swing that produces like Phil's ain't broke.
Despite what some people will state as fact, there isn't one best way, one best teacher that knows the way, or one thing everyone should be doing. I know you know this R3J, but some guys don't and I think their swings suffer as a result.
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Post by jeffy on Apr 13, 2013 16:53:21 GMT -5
Maybe Phil has decided that if the world's number 1 instructor can't help me, I'll just live with it. I'm sure he'd love to win more majors. When he drives it well he is unbeatable. Just doesn't happen often enough, which makes his career all the more impressive. Apparently, some people think Phil's driving can't be improved. They're just ignorant.
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Apr 13, 2013 17:47:14 GMT -5
Apparently some people think that if one aspect of a tour player game's changes that everything else will stay the same. They're just ignorant.
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Post by gmbtempe on Apr 14, 2013 15:49:32 GMT -5
It's probably the attitude of golfers like Phil as to why I don't have a real fandom of modern Tour players. They are too happy with finishing 2nd. 3JACK That was an interesting take on Mickelson Richie, the guy not known for playing for second place and a paycheck lumped into todays modern players playing afraid of losing a big paycheck. He would be the last person I would think plays for second. |
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Post by Richie3Jack on Apr 14, 2013 20:13:53 GMT -5
I don't think anybody *wants* to finish in 2nd.
I just think that players are absolutely fine with finishing 2nd.
Hell, we had Rory McIroy stating that he was fine with being ranked 2nd in the world.
The truth is that Phil has always had a similar mentality. Otherwise he would have fixed his driving by now.
Years ago, author Malcolm Gladwell analyzed Tiger and Phil by stating that Phil was like the college student who goes out drinking the night before an exam because if he failed the test, he had a built-in execuse that he would have done well had he studied and stayed home. But, if he had studied and stayed home and failed the test, there's that fear that there's no excuse for his failure. And that Tiger wasn't afraid of failure, even when he has done everything possible to be better.
It has nothing to do with somebody who is willing to take risks on the course because that's another built in excuse (he can always say 'I would have won had I played it safe').
I don't begrudge Phil for it because it takes a certain mentality for somebody like Tiger to be unafraid to make a swing change if he thinks he can be better, even though he was best in the world.
It takes a particular mentality to be like Tiger and one can certainly argue that the changes from Butch have made him a lesser ballstriker.
But for me, I admire the attitude of the person willing to take the risk and try to get better and out-do themselves. That's why I admire athletes like Ben Hogan, Dan Gable and Michael Jordan.
With all of that said...
IT IS hard to argue with success.
So I can't begrudge him too much for going with what has worked with him. But for me, I would expect more if I were Phil. Doesn't make me right, but it doesn't make me wrong either. Just how people like myself look at things.
3JACK
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Post by jeffy on Apr 14, 2013 22:06:15 GMT -5
I don't think anybody *wants* to finish in 2nd. I just think that players are absolutely fine with finishing 2nd. Hell, we had Rory McIroy stating that he was fine with being ranked 2nd in the world. The truth is that Phil has always had a similar mentality. Otherwise he would have fixed his driving by now. Years ago, author Malcolm Gladwell analyzed Tiger and Phil by stating that Phil was like the college student who goes out drinking the night before an exam because if he failed the test, he had a built-in execuse that he would have done well had he studied and stayed home. But, if he had studied and stayed home and failed the test, there's that fear that there's no excuse for his failure. And that Tiger wasn't afraid of failure, even when he has done everything possible to be better. It has nothing to do with somebody who is willing to take risks on the course because that's another built in excuse (he can always say 'I would have won had I played it safe'). I don't begrudge Phil for it because it takes a certain mentality for somebody like Tiger to be unafraid to make a swing change if he thinks he can be better, even though he was best in the world. It takes a particular mentality to be like Tiger and one can certainly argue that the changes from Butch have made him a lesser ballstriker. But for me, I admire the attitude of the person willing to take the risk and try to get better and out-do themselves. That's why I admire athletes like Ben Hogan, Dan Gable and Michael Jordan. With all of that said... IT IS hard to argue with success. So I can't begrudge him too much for going with what has worked with him. But for me, I would expect more if I were Phil. Doesn't make me right, but it doesn't make me wrong either. Just how people like myself look at things. 3JACK That presumes that the knuckleheads Phil has entrusted with his full swing instruction knew what the the hell they were doing. Sadly, he went to "number 1" and it didn't help. Where do you go from there? I don't blame Phil, I blame the miserable state of golf instruction, aided and abetted by the golf media establishment. |
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Post by Richie3Jack on Apr 15, 2013 7:47:11 GMT -5
I can't absolve Phil completely from blame on this issue. His driving has been bad for a long time and he continues to work with Butch Harmon. And if you look at the metrics, Phil's always been a great irons player. He has also had some great years driving the ball before Harmon.
Yet, he continues to stick with Butch. I believe that is that mentality that Gladwell talks about.
He's also had off-and-on issues with his weight. So this assumption that he's done everything possible to get the best out of his game doesn't hold water with me.
Where I love Phil is that from a strategic perspective he is willing to try things and more often than not, the numbers say he's right. I thought the 2 drivers at the Masters years ago was a gaffe on his part initially. But, when I researched the numbers I saw how it jived right in line with what the data shows (and of course, it worked brilliantly).
Hopefully he'll take a cue from Adam Scott who left Harmon to work with a new teacher who changed many things about his swing. And for all of the talk of the long putter, the data clearly shows that the great play he's had recently has been due to his great improvement in his ballstriking. In fact, that's one of the best rounds of ballstriking I've seen from a player in a Major in quite some time.
3JACK
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