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Post by chouse12 on Feb 19, 2011 0:32:08 GMT -5
Hello all,
I'm a lurker on richie's forum and thought I would put up my swing to see what you guys think.
DTL:
This one was straight to maybe a 2-3 yard draw
Face-on:
pretty much straight
Mainly I have trouble with hitting the ball solid consistently and in general I hit the ball pretty straight. I'm looking to hit the ball further (hit driver about 260-270, 7 iron about 160) but I think this might have as much to do with my physique (6', 145 pounds) as it does my swing.
Look forward to hearing what you guys have to say,
chouse12
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Post by slice_oftheday on Feb 19, 2011 0:50:40 GMT -5
Nice action man
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Post by jonnygrouville on Feb 19, 2011 4:24:35 GMT -5
Looks really good. Will be interested to hear what anyone recommends.
Not sure about distance, as your figures sound good enough to me. Would a little bit more axis tilt squeeze out another couple of yards? Maybe get some driver clips.
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Post by fullback on Feb 19, 2011 7:06:04 GMT -5
hiya chouse12,
There's nothing with your swing that a little more shaft lean at impact wouldn't fix. It would help you achieve both things - more consistency and distance.
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 19, 2011 11:20:52 GMT -5
This is just about as good a swing as is posted around here. The backswing is just about ideal at all the positions, transition beautiful. There is one issue, some pivot stall going on as you seem to stand up on it towards impact. This sends your shoulder more steep rather than rotation around on their circle. This cause a minor flip and a pretty big rolling of the hands. You are so close. Attached is a pic of Duval and you and just past impact, notice how the club is disappearing to the left of his body while the face is almost in a hold off position (this is a result of his pivot, grip, and shoulders, he is not holding anything). Notice how your arms kinda stop and the hands just roll, to me that is a power leak. Its a loss of right wrist bend, which to me is a power loss, you can still have a flat left wrist at impact but lose power with the loss of the right wrist bend. You easily could get to a position like Hogan, Duval, M.O.G., just a little pivot work and a understanding of what they are doing. Have you studied any of "Slicefixer's" stuff on the net? Attachments:
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Feb 19, 2011 11:47:55 GMT -5
Would like to comment on your swing...Maybe I missed it but what club are you hitting in the videos? 6i?
Rand
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Post by cwdlaw223 on Feb 19, 2011 12:31:47 GMT -5
This is just about as good a swing as is posted around here. The backswing is just about ideal at all the positions, transition beautiful. There is one issue, some pivot stall going on as you seem to stand up on it towards impact. This sends your shoulder more steep rather than rotation around on their circle. This cause a minor flip and a pretty big rolling of the hands. You are so close. Attached is a pic of Duval and you and just past impact, notice how the club is disappearing to the left of his body while the face is almost in a hold off position (this is a result of his pivot, grip, and shoulders, he is not holding anything). Notice how your arms kinda stop and the hands just roll, to me that is a power leak. Its a loss of right wrist bend, which to me is a power loss, you can still have a flat left wrist at impact but lose power with the loss of the right wrist bend. You easily could get to a position like Hogan, Duval, M.O.G., just a little pivot work and a understanding of what they are doing. Have you studied any of "Slicefixer's" stuff on the net? How is power lost with the lack of the right wrist bend? Isn't more 3rd accumulator being used if the forearms roll (given the timing issues)? What's the best way to stop pivot stall? I know this is an open end question, but pivot stall kills me. I like your post and the swing. |
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Post by rohlio on Feb 19, 2011 15:01:59 GMT -5
Outstanding action. Those distances are plenty. Not everyone is blessed with super human hand speed. If you hit those yardages consistently you can score on any course. I wouldn't change a thing based on that. When you say you struggle with hitting the ball consistently what do you mean exactly? Are you struggling with low point control or hitting it on the same spot on the face of the club ( heel to toe)? The reason I ask is that if somebody came to me with that swing and said "help" I would be very hesitant to suggest anything outside of good practice routines unless he had a specific problem he wanted to address. The one thing I would recommend without hesitation is your right thumb and right index finger on your grip seem to have a very large gap between them. Is there a reason for this? You may want to pinch your thumb over to gain that pressure point control back. of course that could be optical illusion when I magnified in on your hands on V1 it got pretty pixillated Something else of interest and I will be curious to what others say about this..have you noticed your right thumb position during your follow through?  I haven't ever seen that before, but somebody else probably has. |
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Post by gmbtempe on Feb 19, 2011 16:49:43 GMT -5
same here, when a swing is that good I can see some minor issues but I am not qualified to offer real instruction advice.
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Post by bentshaft on Feb 19, 2011 20:29:51 GMT -5
I look forward to the day I can post my own swing that is half as good as what i see here---
bent
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Post by chouse12 on Feb 20, 2011 2:12:41 GMT -5
Thank you for all the compliments, I've worked very hard to get to the point that I am at now, and have gotten there in large part thanks to forums like these and most especially David Orr (also sent him a video, just thought it would be fun to see what you guys think as well). This is just about as good a swing as is posted around here. The backswing is just about ideal at all the positions, transition beautiful. There is one issue, some pivot stall going on as you seem to stand up on it towards impact. This sends your shoulder more steep rather than rotation around on their circle. This cause a minor flip and a pretty big rolling of the hands. You are so close. Attached is a pic of Duval and you and just past impact, notice how the club is disappearing to the left of his body while the face is almost in a hold off position (this is a result of his pivot, grip, and shoulders, he is not holding anything). Notice how your arms kinda stop and the hands just roll, to me that is a power leak. Its a loss of right wrist bend, which to me is a power loss, you can still have a flat left wrist at impact but lose power with the loss of the right wrist bend. You easily could get to a position like Hogan, Duval, M.O.G., just a little pivot work and a understanding of what they are doing. Have you studied any of "Slicefixer's" stuff on the net? This has been probably the biggest problem I have; I think it's caused in large part due to my head dropping and regaining flexion in too "violent" a manner, which mainly I believe has stemmed from trying to hit the ball hard as a little kid (agewise, as I'm still pretty small for my height). How do you recommend working on this? I know that I've had some great ballstriking periods whenever I've really worked on not letting my head drop so much in transition, so maybe there's a place to start. I don't like how my club exits so high, through my shoulder instead of mid-bicep and I think this issue is the reason why. Outstanding action. Those distances are plenty. Not everyone is blessed with super human hand speed. If you hit those yardages consistently you can score on any course. I wouldn't change a thing based on that. When you say you struggle with hitting the ball consistently what do you mean exactly? Are you struggling with low point control or hitting it on the same spot on the face of the club ( heel to toe)? The reason I ask is that if somebody came to me with that swing and said "help" I would be very hesitant to suggest anything outside of good practice routines unless he had a specific problem he wanted to address. The one thing I would recommend without hesitation is your right thumb and right index finger on your grip seem to have a very large gap between them. Is there a reason for this? You may want to pinch your thumb over to gain that pressure point control back. of course that could be optical illusion when I magnified in on your hands on V1 it got pretty pixillated Something else of interest and I will be curious to what others say about this..have you noticed your right thumb position during your follow through? I haven't ever seen that before, but somebody else probably has. Thank you very much for the kind words. I know I can get around with those distances and while I consider myself a good ballstriker, my putting and short game are my strengths. However, most courses I play are ~7,000 yards, so a little more distance certainly would help. I'm working with a strength and conditioning coach to get stronger and more explosive and have seen some improvements, so over time I think this will help. However, whenever I've had periods of good ballstriking, the biggest difference between then and my average or normal periods is the quality of contact. I touched on this briefly in the OP but to clarify, I would specify that mainly as heel/toe issues as opposed to low point control issues (although I have been hitting some fat shots recently-guessing that this is because of the steep shoulders and loss of right wrist bend). Whenever I'm hitting the ball flush consistently, I'd say I gain a club of distance, maybe 15 yards with the driver, not to mention I hit the ball higher yet with a more piercing trajectory. As far as my grip goes, I've worked on maintaining pressure between my thumb and index finger knuckle before but have gotten kind of slack about it. Any suggestions on how to approach this? I usually just put a small tee between the grip and pp#3, sort of like a pure ballstriker, but angled differently so that the side of my thumb also has to apply pressure in order to keep the tee from falling out. Also, in regards to my followthrough, this is definitely something else that I need to fix. I think this is another habit formed in my earlier golfing years and for whatever reason it's still a bad habit of mine. In fact, on some swings I completely lose pp#1 at the end of my swing, although I don't think this one was too bad. I'm not sure if this would cause any problems but it probably wouldn't hurt to fix. |
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Post by chouse12 on Feb 20, 2011 2:13:18 GMT -5
Would like to comment on your swing...Maybe I missed it but what club are you hitting in the videos? 6i? Rand Forgot to mention that this is a 7 iron. |
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Feb 20, 2011 11:30:28 GMT -5
Ok... 7 iron. I don't share the enthusiasm for position golf that others in this forum advocate. I believe that the swinging action must be learned first before anything else is considered. I looked at your videos on youtube and you have learned to SWING the club nicely here at an early age.
Swing positives:
1. Setup to the ball well.
2. Free flowing swing of the club. Not hitting AT the ball.
3. Good position at the top of the backswing to swing the club down and through.
Swing negatives:
1. Grip. Palms are not facing. Left hand is too strong for the swing type and does not match the right hand.
2. Transition. Upper body dips down in an attempt to swing harder.
3. Foot action. Weight distribution of feet too much toward the toes during impact stage.
Caution: Swing method can lead to lower back problems.
Now how you go about improving your game is left up to you. You can chose between the position oriented or swing oriented instruction systems. I prefer the swing vs position. I will comment further based on your interest in my initial observations.
Rand
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Post by rohlio on Feb 20, 2011 13:22:18 GMT -5
3. Foot action. Weight distribution of feet too much toward the toes during impact stage. Rand Are you watching the same swing I am? From frame #255 -267 (P6 through post P7) His weight on his left foot is flowing to his left heel and his left toes are lifting while his left ankle is rolling towards the left edge of his foot. His right foot is rolling inward towards his left foot not lifting onto his toes until the ball is well gone. His right heel doesn't lift until he is all the way into P8.  Where do you see him getting his weight on his toes during impact? To the OP. The ways you mentioned monitoring you hand pressures would all work just fine. I would certainly put a little time and attention into that. Also you mentioned wanting to see your shaft exit lower. Why? Your exit plane matches with what you are doing in the earlier parts of your swing. That to me would be unnecessary tampering. |
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Post by aimsmithgolf on Feb 20, 2011 14:09:12 GMT -5
Rohlio:
You asked: "Are you watching the same swing I am?"
Answer: No.
You seem to be a knowledgeable contributor on this forum. Question: Do you think I would reach the conclusion I did by using a video/picture that would HIDE the left foot/heel area from view, as in the picture you have posted above?
If chouse12 wants me to elaborate on any of the points I made in my post to him I will be happy to do so.
Rand
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