Ok now it's my turn!

[Ringer]

Camera's a little higher than it should probably be. I was in a hurry, it was a lunch break.

[tba]

It's a shame you have to go through your life with that swing. I offer my condolences, anything we can do to help let us know...LOL. all kidding aside i'm no expert but i'll take a wild stab at it and say i bet your good.

[Ringer]

Well I keep my right knee too bent, my weight gets too far on my back leg, I tilt too far back away from the target, my hip turn is too early, I take the club away too far inside, I come over the top, I don't hold much lag in the downswing, my right foot comes off the ground too soon in the downswing, I don't have enough hip tilt, my head moves too much in both the back and forward swing, I don't swing far enough left on exit, I don't bend my left wrist post impact, my shoulder plane is too flat, and I don't let my left foot roll out like the "pro's" do.

It's truly a shame.

[tba]

Nov 9, 2010 23:59:55 GMT -5 Ringer said:

Well I keep my right knee too bent, my weight gets too far on my back leg, I tilt too far back away from the target, my hip turn is too early, I take the club away too far inside, I come over the top, I don't hold much lag in the downswing, my right foot comes off the ground too soon in the downswing, I don't have enough hip tilt, my head moves too much in both the back and forward swing, I don't swing far enough left on exit, I don't bend my left wrist post impact, my shoulder plane is too flat, and I don't let my left foot roll out like the "pro's" do.

It's truly a shame.

How in the hell do you do it? I do all those things too and my swing is crap...lol. OH ! I know i have the wrong sequence...lol

[bentshaft]

you look good with the extra weight!!! ;D

[Richie3Jack]

Looks pretty good. I think it's a little long of a backswing for my tastes and that may cause some consistency issues, but I like what I see.





3JACK

[Ringer]

Nov 10, 2010 13:32:03 GMT -5 Richie3Jack said:

Looks pretty good. I think it's a little long of a backswing for my tastes and that may cause some consistency issues, but I like what I see.

3JACK

Where would you rather see it and why?

[jonnygrouville]

Nov 9, 2010 23:59:55 GMT -5 Ringer said:

Well I keep my right knee too bent, my weight gets too far on my back leg, I tilt too far back away from the target, my hip turn is too early, I take the club away too far inside, I come over the top, I don't hold much lag in the downswing, my right foot comes off the ground too soon in the downswing, I don't have enough hip tilt, my head moves too much in both the back and forward swing, I don't swing far enough left on exit, I don't bend my left wrist post impact, my shoulder plane is too flat, and I don't let my left foot roll out like the "pro's" do.

Other than that it's fine! ;D

Only for fun (as I should be the one getting advice from you... )...

What would I change? Not much. You can clearly play decent golf with an action like this, and a lot of people have and do.

For me, it does look a little inside and I'd be worried about the straight right and quick left. I might try and get some more forearm rotation in the second half of the backswing. This should keep more width at the top with the club pointing straighter or left than to the right, and shorter, as Richie says.

Why? From there, I would say you would be in a better position to find your impact alignments as it looks like your right elbow gets a bit behind you at the top.

We are talking fractions here though eh?

[monkutare]

Ringer,
Where do you think in the backswing, is maximum "width" established. Is this before P2 (or the first parallel) or between P2 and "top"'
I hope I have the designations correct

[Ringer]

Width of what precisely?

[monkutare]

Extension of the arms
I'm getting old and losing my ability to take the fullest turn my body will allow while maintaining my balance.
I feel like I'm in my own way on my backswing and overbending my right elbow at the top

[Richie3Jack]

Nov 10, 2010 20:41:58 GMT -5 Ringer said:

Nov 10, 2010 13:32:03 GMT -5 Richie3Jack said:

Looks pretty good. I think it's a little long of a backswing for my tastes and that may cause some consistency issues, but I like what I see.

3JACK

Where would you rather see it and why?

From the DTL view at P4 I prefer, with a 6-iron, to see more of the clubshaft. If you take it back longer, the less of the shaft you will see. I think it's probably a case of your right arm being folded at less than a 90* angle (over-folding the right arm)

Now, that's not a problem by itself, but at P6 your right arm is still too folded and the right forearm is off plane. Because you're a sub-scratch golfer, you make the compensation for that by getting the handle high (and the right forearm off plane) at impact. So the rate of closure gets pretty high. As you see in the follow thru, the clubface closes pretty hard.

It's something that I struggle with and we were discussing over in gmbtempe's thread as well. However, most of your mechanics are far better than mine and gmbtempe's....so that's why I like your swing a lot, but could see why you may have some issues with consistency from time to time.






3JACK

[Ringer]

Thanks Richie... that's some of the most insightful things anyone has ever said about my swing.

[gmbtempe]

Nov 14, 2010 11:21:34 GMT -5 Richie3Jack said:

Nov 10, 2010 20:41:58 GMT -5 Ringer said:

Where would you rather see it and why?

From the DTL view at P4 I prefer, with a 6-iron, to see more of the clubshaft. If you take it back longer, the less of the shaft you will see. I think it's probably a case of your right arm being folded at less than a 90* angle (over-folding the right arm)

Now, that's not a problem by itself, but at P6 your right arm is still too folded and the right forearm is off plane. Because you're a sub-scratch golfer, you make the compensation for that by getting the handle high (and the right forearm off plane) at impact. So the rate of closure gets pretty high. As you see in the follow thru, the clubface closes pretty hard.

It's something that I struggle with and we were discussing over in gmbtempe's thread as well. However, most of your mechanics are far better than mine and gmbtempe's....so that's why I like your swing a lot, but could see why you may have some issues with consistency from time to time.






3JACK

Yes backswing gets long and cross the line, then a larger then normal rotation back to plane with the right shoulder.


Yes definitely high rate of closure on that swing but its going to produce a lot of power. Gets below plane a bit on the compensation for the higher than plane right forearm.

The one component of your swing you can't teach is the amount of pivot rotation with the hips and shoulders you get through the shot.

I think you could fix some of those things pretty easily but would you hit it as far? Would you hit it as good? Not sure, seems like they work well for you.

[Ringer]

I think there is some potential there if I could get the hands a little lower so that the release has some extra speed as the forearms rotate. Right now I don't think the forearm rotation generates any added speed but rather just helps to square the face.

My hands have ALWAYS been high at impact and I've always had a steeper move on the downswing than backswing. I've always wanted to get the club a bit closer to the elbow plane on the way down. I think Richie is right on as to what is causing it. I don't think it's because I'm too long, but the club is slightly across the top.

There is one problem though, the right tricep extension is a big source of power for me. I may end up sacrificing distance that I already have for an elbow plane when there's no guarantee that it will actually result in a better resulting ball flight.